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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Lets just quote people back and forth and try to out-fancy ourselves!!
But really (and I hate saying this phrase) "in todays world" I think it is true.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
"Lets just quote people back and forth and try to out-fancy ourselves!!"
kcg5 |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I agree. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Knowledge.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2010-09-06 20:55, LobowolfXXX wrote: Was the second guy carrying a gun by any chance? Or did he only gain his knowledge after he fired?
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
As to the original post. Nope, it's all pretty Machiavellian.
War comes about due to a loss of hope. Hope is lost because there is no faith. If there is no faith in peace then there is no hope for peace. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
They don't make weapons NOT to be used.
If you humans are going to murder each other, at least have the good taste to not bring some god's name or another in to it. Do it for money...
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Either be prepared for war, or be friends with people who are prepared for war.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Quote: On 2010-09-06 22:39, MagicSanta wrote:
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
I must have hit a nerve...
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
There's always the "Be nice to Hitler, and he'll be nice to you" philosophy.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
I'm inclined to agree with the initial quote that Pakar posted. However, few things are so cut-and-dried. Yes, as Magnus pointed out it's one small part of keeping the peace, but it is a crucial part. A helicopter has 30,000 pieces to it - 300 are critical. Any one of those fail and the chopper goes down. I suppose, however, if we didn't have a military resistance there would be no war - there wouldn't be peace either.
A lesson from the Cold War may be in order. We had ICBMs and so did the Russians, it was a race to see who could stockpile more. The idea was if one country fired theirs, the other would certainly retaliate causing the end of the world. If we didn't stockpile any, would we have been attacked? Maybe, maybe not. BUT preparing FOR that eventuality prevented it and kept a semblance of peace. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
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On 2010-09-07 12:23, Josh Chaikin wrote: Nuclear weapons have been around for approximately 70 years. Not even one, long, human lifetime. It seems pretty short sighted to me to use such a tiny, fleeting measure of time as a basis of comparison. Those things WILL be used at some point in the future, perhaps sooner than one might think. http://www.takepart.com/countdowntozero
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
True enough...the United States won the Revolutionary War, but in 1812 the country was back at war with England - showing that even going to war won't guarantee peace. I have no doubt that if the terrorists got their hands on a nuclear device they would have no compulsions about using it, threat of doomsday be ***ed (but the war on terror is vastly different than any other conflict the country has been engaged in).
Another example may work to help my case...in high school, someone thought he could push me around and bully me, until I broke his nose by smashing his face into a locker. I was prepared to fight him and he didn't expect that. As a result, those four years went by without incident. It works on a small-scale, for sure...does it work on a larger scale, preventing war? Maybe...maybe not, the example I cited shows it stopped war with the Soviet Union. Was it an end-all? No, but, unless I'm mistaken, Washington wasn't referring to that when he said what he did. As long as there is some line of defense in place, there will be some |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Gaddy with the cold war now over the use of nuclear weapons by those that have them is even more of a likely hood as you point out. Yes during the cold war both Russia and the U.S. seemed much more than poised to start a nuclear attack a couple of times. Look at the invasion of Cuba that happened 48 years ago. That may have almost did it right there.
But the U.S. and Russia should up the production of such weapons since there are so many out there now that have them or will very soon. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2010-09-07 13:13, Josh Chaikin wrote: The war on drugs, war on abortion, war on (teen)sex. Ok, really only the "war on drugs" was ever really "officially declared" if you will. Point is, not really all that different. All these "wars" have produced more people engaging in the activities they were trying to stop. Can you really have a war against a concept anyways?
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
That's my point. Gaddy seemed to imply that George Washington committed a fallacy. I interpreted his reply to mean that peace is only peace if it is long-lasting, if I misunderstood please correct me...which may be true to an extent. My point is/was, that in the Cold War we had a definable enemy in the Soviets. Their armies were identifiable. It was a nation. The arms race tactic did work, or expedite things...Reagan was certainly some sort of catalyst there. Preparing for war with Russia prevented war with Russia.
Will that work with the terrorists? No. I kno that, I'm not an idiot. Gaddy mentioned that the Nuclear arms where there 70 years ago ( WW II), continue to exist today along with their threat. I was conceding the point that yes, the threat does exist with a different enemy that won't be deterred by the threat of a Nuclear holocaust. He drew the dots and that's the way I connected them If that single line was all you took from my post, then I either need to really start making things more concise or you missed my point completely. |
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
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On 2010-09-07 14:36, gdw wrote: We need a war against war against concepts |
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
And on the original post, does the Swiss model suggest that it might be correct? This is if we define "preparing for war" as being a very different thing to "preparing to wage war".
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2010-09-07 15:15, muse wrote: LOL, brilliant.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
There's no peace for the wicked.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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