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So let me get this right. Peace, and I would really love to hear the definitions for that word, can only be achieved through:

1. Force
2. Perceived ability to execute force
3. Destrution of another
4. The threat of destruction to another

Am I the only one to see how paradoxical that sounds. And yet, history shows time and again this doesn't work.

Peace and Godspeed.
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On 2010-09-07 14:57, Josh Chaikin wrote:
The arms race tactic did work, or expedite things...Reagan was certainly some sort of catalyst there. Preparing for war with Russia prevented war with Russia.



And how did that work for Afghanistan?

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On 2010-09-07 16:21, Dreadnought wrote:
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On 2010-09-07 14:57, Josh Chaikin wrote:
The arms race tactic did work, or expedite things...Reagan was certainly some sort of catalyst there. Preparing for war with Russia prevented war with Russia.



And how did that work for Afghanistan?

Peace and Godspeed.


Yes...well...times change and so do allies. There is no simple answer to the question posed here. I'm neither philosopher, historian nor military strategist. For every argument, there's a counterargument. And for every example there's one to counter that too.

The question is old and so are the arguments and scenarios, all that changes are the players. Is it an important discussion to have? Absolutely, and I can see both sides of the issue. I just don't expect us to find any greater truth here. I'm going to step out of this discussion before things become too heated.
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On 2010-09-07 16:18, Dreadnought wrote:
So let me get this right. Peace, and I would really love to hear the definitions for that word, can only be achieved through:

1. Force
2. Perceived ability to execute force
3. Destrution of another
4. The threat of destruction to another

Am I the only one to see how paradoxical that sounds. And yet, history shows time and again this doesn't work.

Peace and Godspeed.


What Dreadnought said.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I won't forget you Robert.
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Meh, whatever... You all seem pretty content waiting for your self-fulfilling prophesy of nuclear armageddon, so have at it.

Hopefully, Tommy's " hidden secret masters" will complete their Great Work and achieve their goals before you hairless apes turn this beautiful gem of a world to radioactive cinders and ash.

Enjoy the short time you have left.
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Dreadnaught, are you refering to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan? If so I'm not sure I get your point on this one.

In the bad ol' days we would 'show the flag' in areas the Soviets operated in and do all kinds of training people. Then the Soviets would show their flag and train people....then the Brits, then the French, it was interesting.
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Yup, CCCP vs Afghanistan.

My point was that if the arms's race b/w the U.S and the Soviets was the key to keeping peace then that peace did not extend to Afghanistan or to other places of conflict during that time. Therefore, the "peace" only existed between the United States and the former Soviet Union. In fact, my argument would be that peace didn't exist as it was just no overt exchange of violence between the two.

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On 2010-09-07 19:11, Dreadnought wrote:
Yup, CCCP vs Afghanistan.

My point was that if the arms's race b/w the U.S and the Soviets was the key to keeping peace then that peace did not extend to Afghanistan or to other places of conflict during that time. Therefore, the "peace" only existed between the United States and the former Soviet Union. In fact, my argument would be that peace didn't exist as it was just no overt exchange of violence between the two.

Peace and Godspeed.
So true. In fact I'm not sure there has been a moment in the past 70 years + that the US has not ben engaged in warfare on some level, somewhere in the world.
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So true. My degree is in History with an MA in Archaeology. I had a professor who once said that it is generally agreed in academic circles that in the entire history of the world, from the point where man first climbed out of the trees and started walking upright, there has only been approximately 200 years of total peace, five minutes here, thirty seconds there etc...

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That was one of our proxy wars.....
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Yup.
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Wow, that's kinda funny, and terrible. Is this true?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2010-09-08 12:24, gdw wrote:

Wow, that's kinda funny, and terrible. Is this true?

Apparently it's true, although I wasn't there...
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Come on now....hats were different back then.
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Does anyone here really believe that the world would be a safer and maore peaceful place if the "United States of America" disbanded its Armed Forces and its weapons arsenal? When answering this question do not add your, "if the U.S. did not do this or that yada, yada, yada".
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Absolutely not.
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On 2010-09-08 18:38, acesover wrote:
Does anyone here really believe that the world would be a safer and maore peaceful place if the "United States of America" disbanded its Armed Forces and its weapons arsenal? When answering this question do not add your, "if the U.S. did not do this or that yada, yada, yada".


How about if the united states just disbanded . . .
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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GDW, congrats, you have official made every leftest seem a bit more to the right.
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