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It's rather amusing watching those so consumed by religion. Here in Australia most people who profess a religion merely pay lip service.

I am personally gratefull that these days the Christian religions are properly contained and most nominally Christian countries are in truth secular with the Churches limited in their ability to force others to live by their beliefs.

The same cannot be said for Islamic countries. The would be book burner appears to be just a publicity hungry attention seeker so I can't be bothered paying him much mind. As far as the mosque goes though, if it offends people and you mean it as a gesture for peace and reconciliation, just move it.

OR put some of the funds towards a multi-faith centre in Mecca! Now that is not going to happen is it?
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On 2010-09-10 18:18, gaddy wrote:
I'm going to burn a Chick Comic tract on Saturday, just to be obtuse...

PS- it is so awesome that his comics are all online these days!

Found one of those stuck in my mailbox about a year ago.
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On 2010-09-10 18:28, Destiny wrote:
It's rather amusing watching those so consumed by religion. Here in Australia most people who profess a religion merely pay lip service.

I am personally gratefull that these days the Christian religions are properly contained and most nominally Christian countries are in truth secular with the Churches limited in their ability to force others to live by their beliefs.

The same cannot be said for Islamic countries. The would be book burner appears to be just a publicity hungry attention seeker so I can't be bothered paying him much mind. As far as the mosque goes though, if it offends people and you mean it as a gesture for peace and reconciliation, just move it.

OR put some of the funds towards a multi-faith centre in Mecca! Now that is not going to happen is it?


Sums it up nice if you ask me.
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On 2010-09-10 16:42, landmark wrote:
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On 2010-09-10 14:47, Scott Cram wrote:
I believe they have the constitutional right to do it, but that they're a**holes if they actually go ahead and do it.

Why? Is your assumption that American Muslims should feel guilty on some level for 9/11? Or is it your assumption that the anti-Muslim feelings of some should be given more recognition than the religious worship of Muslims? I really would like you to be clear about this.


While I am not in the camp of those who oppose the location of the mosque, I think the distinction isn't whether the feelings of Muslims or anti-Muslims is more important, but rather that the location itself is more relevant to those who are bothered by it. If you're a Muslim, and it's about your place of worship, it's probably not as important to you whether it's in place X, or a mile away from place X. In fact, if you're a Muslim in the vicinity, you undoubtedly already have a mosque of choice that you're attending. But moving it a mile probably makes a much larger difference to the feelings of those who oppose it. I realize, as has been pointed out, that there are also non-Muslims in NYC who don't have a problem with it, or even those who think it's great.

I might liken it to opening a local NRA office a block away from the high school in Columbine.

I have a real problem with this position. It takes the view that Muslims are unreasonable and insensitive, because they don't choose to validate the bigoted opinions of others. And that's what it really comes down to. American Muslims had NOTHING to do with 9/11. They are, however, a convenient scapegoat. It makes as much sense as asking that no church or synagogue be built near Ground Zero.

The Columbine analogy is this: if you don't want the NRA to build an office near Columbine, it's because--rightly or wrongly--you believe that the NRA in some way has some responsibility for the killings (perhaps a glorification of gun culture, etc.)

In the same manner, if you don't want a mosque by ground zero it is because you believe--rightly or wrongly--that Muslims are in some way responsible for the 9/11 killings.

And I totally reject that notion. And it's more important to reject that notion than to mollify some people's feelings.

And why do you think some people's feelings should be privileged over other people's feelings?


When I constructed the NRA example, to my mind, it wasn't about the victim(s) believing that the NRA was in any way responsible. It was about them being upset at an unpleasant reminder of the events of that day.

I'm not sure what you may by privileging some people's feelings over other people's feelings. Whose feelings am I supposed to be privileging, and how? Most generally, I think people have the right to hold and express their opinions, and to the extent that others' feelings get hurt, that's the price you pay for living in a relatively free country. People opposed to the Mosque can march and make their signs and tell anyone who wants to listen why it shouldn't be built, and if that hurts someone's feelings, that's too bad. People in favor of the Mosque can do the same thing and more - they can actually BUILD it, and if that hurts someone's feelings, that's too bad, too. You don't have a right to not have your feelings hurt.

I personally find the anti-Mosque rallies less offensive than the UC affirmative action rallies I saw. The anti-Mosquers are expressing their opinion and essentially acting as lobbyists to encourage a voluntary act; the affirmative actioners were trying to get the government to permit the exclusion of people (e.g. Asian Americans, for the most part, at the school I attended) from admissions they'd earned, solely on the basis of race.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I'm still trying to wrap my mind around John's support of the idea that the attacks on 9/11 were planned on 9/10.....

(I know you don't think that but idiots could think that is accurate)

You went to Berkeley Lobo? I didn't know you were lesbian.
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I'm still trying to wrap my mind around John's support of the idea that the attacks on 9/11 were planned on 9/10.....

(I know you don't think that but idiots could think that is accurate)

You went to Berkeley Lobo? I didn't know you were lesbian.


lol wrong UC. I was a Bruin, for law school anyway.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Ohhhh....UCLA, I'm use to Cal being called the UC or just Cal....never thought of the lesser UC's. They are considering changing Cal's team names to the Cal Kill All Men.
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Ohhhh....UCLA, I'm use to Cal being called the UC or just Cal....never thought of the lesser UC's. They are considering changing Cal's team names to the Cal Kill All Men.


Yeah, that must just be a northern California thing. Down here, it would just be straight white guys.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2010-09-10 20:53, MagicSanta wrote:
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around John's support of the idea that the attacks on 9/11 were planned on 9/10.....


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the possibility that you believe that of me...

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Admit it John.....

My friends daughter went to UCLA. She graduates and walks up to her dad, who paid for the whole thing, and said "This degree is useless dad, I need to go to another school". She meant it...she also forgot to turn off her phone at school and left it for her friends to use.
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On 2010-09-10 18:28, Destiny wrote:
It's rather amusing watching those so consumed by religion. Here in Australia most people who profess a religion merely pay lip service.

I am personally gratefull that these days the Christian religions are properly contained and most nominally Christian countries are in truth secular with the Churches limited in their ability to force others to live by their beliefs.

The same cannot be said for Islamic countries. The would be book burner appears to be just a publicity hungry attention seeker so I can't be bothered paying him much mind. As far as the mosque goes though, if it offends people and you mean it as a gesture for peace and reconciliation, just move it.

OR put some of the funds towards a multi-faith centre in Mecca! Now that is not going to happen is it?


Sums it up nice if you ask me.

Me too. Well said, Destiny.
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Destiny is a beautiful person...and can wrastle a croc.
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I agree, however, "if it offends people and you mean it as a gesture for peace and reconciliation," then I would say people are just being bigoted jerks.

They may as well protest building a soccer field near Ground Zero because all the terrorist that flew the plans liked soccer.
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On 2010-09-10 20:38, LobowolfXXX wrote:

When I constructed the NRA example, to my mind, it wasn't about the victim(s) believing that the NRA was in any way responsible. It was about them being upset at an unpleasant reminder of the events of that day.



So if I understand your analogy correctly, good Muslims, sensitive Muslims, should keep away from ground zero because somehow they are a reminder to some (evidently more privileged) people, of the events of the day.

I think it might be important to imagine one's self in a New York Muslim's shoes for a few days.
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I agree, however, "if it offends people and you mean it as a gesture for peace and reconciliation," then I would say people are just being bigoted jerks.

They may as well protest building a soccer field near Ground Zero because all the terrorist that flew the plans liked soccer.


I absolutely LOVE it when someone "agrees" but then adds however.
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My views:
1. I just don't like book burning.

2. I personally have no issues with them building a Muslim community center (I will when I find out they are using govt funds to build it) but there will be a mosque in there but the simple fact is we are not an oppressive country like Cuba or Canada and they have a right to build it if they can pay for it. I do think that the appearance of insensativity to the non Muslim community is is understandable but I also think the real reason they selected that spot is because it is a place they can build in Manhatten and I would think real estate is hard to come by. I have no doubt anti US discussions will be a daily occurance there but we will put tracking devices on their cars while they are in there so f'em.

3. In reference to number 2 my dad and his girlfriend are natives of NYC and not socialist lefties. My dads girlfriends daughter worked for a company with corporate offices in the WTC and she was in there all the time and both the girlfriend and her daughter knew a lot of people killed in the attacks. The press is full of daily stories of attacks carried out in the name of Islam, mostly on others in that faith. Both of these things make me have some sensativity to those who are against building the community center. There is no basis, however, to stop the building and frankly I doubt the builders give a crap what others think and it will be a lil' victory in many of their minds.

4. If they allow a call to prayer to be amplified then the people who run NYC should be flogged and then stoned to death by Iran.

PS: I was kidding about Cuba, they are at least showing some indication of improvement there.
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On 2010-09-10 20:38, LobowolfXXX wrote:

When I constructed the NRA example, to my mind, it wasn't about the victim(s) believing that the NRA was in any way responsible. It was about them being upset at an unpleasant reminder of the events of that day.



So if I understand your analogy correctly, good Muslims, sensitive Muslims, should keep away from ground zero because somehow they are a reminder to some (evidently more privileged) people, of the events of the day.

I think it might be important to imagine one's self in a New York Muslim's shoes for a few days.


Yea that is far more important than trying to imagine you are the family of one of the victims for a few days. Good point as always.
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I'm imagining myself in a NYC Muslims shoes....and I'm selling stereos cheap.
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Yea that is far more important than trying to imagine you are the family of one of the victims for a few days. Good point as always.

Just not one of the families that happens to support Park51, though, right?

Hey, here's another one for you all.

Where Flight 93 went down, apparently another "mosque" is being built on that site.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas......te-.html

http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2009/10/......ght.html

At least, that's what the people above say. Never mind that the 9/11 Flight 93 families like the design and support it:

http://www.nps.gov/flni/parkmgmt/upload/......EASE.pdf

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Flight 93 family members held a news conference in Pittsburgh May 1 to dismiss claims that the Flight 93 National memorial glorifies Islam and the terrorists who took over the plane on September 11th.

“We said then and continue to say, ‘Enough’,” commented Patrick White, whose cousin, Louis “Joey Nacke II, was one of the Flight 93 passengers. White also serves as Task Force Co-Chair, as well as Vice President of the Families of Flight 93.

White said the Family of Flight 93 organization’s board of directors unanimously voted its support for the chosen Memorial design in 2007. “This design will not be changed based upon the idea that someone sees crescents everywhere,” he added.
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Anyway, if there is so much "excitement" going on because of the 9th anniversary, I can't wait to see what controversies will arise in advance of the 10th.
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Balducci....what mosque? I'm missing something. I am not convinced that the internet is useless after reading that tripe. People are complaining about a bunch of trees? I bet the druids are behind it.
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