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Destiny
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People have long done this and people have long got upset about it.

I don't personally have any inclination to burn anyones book, or spit on any of them or perform any other degradation beyond mocking what I regard as silly, if sometimes well intentioned, superstition.

And I do believe it is the democratic right of people to do those things I choose not to.

But what is more important - the physical book - or the message it contains?
I would have assumed too high a regard for the actual book to be idolatry and that mocking the content - the sacred message - to be far more sacriligious than merely destroying the actual book.

I speak of no particular religion as they all cherish their own story and are all offended by attacks on it - some obviously more than others.
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Yup....I think everyone in this case is nuts...the burnies and the gnashers.
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Amusingly, the guy who's made the news with his upcoming book burning leads a religious flock of--wait for it--50 faithful. He's sucked millions into following his message one way or the other.

I'd like to say that as protests go, his is a barely articulate grunt. But I can't. It's a grunt that is being noticed by millions. And talked about. And understood. And that's probably good.

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On 2010-09-08 09:12, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Amusingly, the guy who's made the news with his upcoming book burning leads a religious flock of--wait for it--50 faithful. He's sucked millions into following his message one way or the other.

I'd like to say that as protests go, his is a barely articulate grunt. But I can't. It's a grunt that is being noticed by millions. And talked about. And understood. And that's probably good.

John


Some people can grunt pretty loud I guess.
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People can do as they please, but I feel there is no better way to make one look more ignorant than to burn a book they disagree with. Same with banning a book. I still laugh at the idea that schools would find Catcher in the Rye offensive enough to ban. Or Harry Potter. Or the Bible, Koran, or any other religious text.
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I like the idea of taking that list floating around of "Books most often banned" and making it required reading for my son. When he's a little older, of course.
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On 2010-09-08 09:12, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

Amusingly, the guy who's made the news with his upcoming book burning ...

I'm not anti-gun by any means, but I was amused and surprised to read that this Pastor totes a handgun around with him.

I also read that the (Canadian!) bank that holds the mortgage on his church property has demanded full payment of the $140,000 still owed.
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Book burning in general held more power when books were tougher to get and prior to the advent of the internet. Generally book burning has become more of a symbol than anything.

This is the precice problem that we run into here is that it is the "symbol" here that will cause most offense, not the "loss of knowlege". When the Spanish burnt all the Myan books we lost a whole civilization. It was tragic. If this guy does what he plans we have no such loss, but it is more of an attack on another faith.

John, you miss the point having only 50 now does not mean that he will not rally many to the cause, that is what makes it dangerous.

I happen to think he has the right, (which is obvious) but it is unnecessarily provocative.
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John, you miss the point having only 50 now does not mean that he will not rally many to the cause, that is what makes it dangerous.




That was my point.
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"The mouse that roared" is about a very small country that declared war on the US in hopes that they would loose, and qualify for aid.
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He carries around a gun, and is a man of god. Total whackjob, no question about it. Regardless of the pastor thing, who carries a gun?
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Regardless of paster or gun, who is that deliberatly provocative?
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I don't get what you are saying... What is up with the spelling?
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On 2010-09-08 09:12, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

Amusingly, the guy who's made the news with his upcoming book burning ...

I'm not anti-gun by any means, but I was amused and surprised to read that this Pastor totes a handgun around with him.

I also read that the (Canadian!) bank that holds the mortgage on his church property has demanded full payment of the $140,000 still owed.


Lol, that's awesome. Assuming they are allowed to do this per what ever agreement he made when he got the mortgage, I fully support this.

Don't like what' someone's doing, you don't have to lock them up, just bring your business/association with them to and end.


Now, how about instead of a book burning for things you disagree with, how about a book READING?
How about you go get a bunch of people who dislike the same books, and organize a reading group. Learn a bit more about what you apparently hate. Then, when you're done reading them, burn away.

I'm not saying they won't have dislike for the book when they are done, but at least they'll know what they are actually burning, not just what they've been told they are burning.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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This "Pastor" and his call for burning the Quran reminds of two different things said about similar issues.

I forgot how many years ago, five or six maybe, Georgia Secretary of Education Cathy Cox said in reference to a Georgia county burning books they considered bad,
"I saw and am very intimate with their test scores, they need to be reading those books rather than burning them.

Then there was Ozzy Osbourne who once quipped how he felt about religious groups burning hi albums, "Doesn't bother me, they have to but them first."

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I say burning it is his 15 minutes of fame... For that very reason, he might well go through with it imo...

The sad thing is that it helps nothing. Other than himself. If even that in the long run...

Think about it, what does it do other than harm?

Here's one to free speech...
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I say burning it is his 15 minutes of fame... For that very reason, he might well go through with it imo...

The sad thing is that it helps nothing. Other than himself. If even that in the long run...

Think about it, what does it do other than harm?

Here's one to free speech...


How does it even do harm?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2010-09-08 15:13, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I say burning it is his 15 minutes of fame... For that very reason, he might well go through with it imo...

The sad thing is that it helps nothing. Other than himself. If even that in the long run...

Think about it, what does it do other than harm?

Here's one to free speech...


How does it even do harm?


If it happens, just wait for the killing to start. I am serious. No joke.

They killed people for Cartoons, this is the Holy Book.

I hope I am wrong but history has shown otherwise... Smile
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Any publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right.

And on the subject of names, could here be a more ironically titled organisation?
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On 2010-09-08 15:24, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
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On 2010-09-08 15:19, gdw wrote:
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On 2010-09-08 15:13, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I say burning it is his 15 minutes of fame... For that very reason, he might well go through with it imo...

The sad thing is that it helps nothing. Other than himself. If even that in the long run...

Think about it, what does it do other than harm?

Here's one to free speech...


How does it even do harm?


If it happens, just wait for the killing to start. I am serious. No joke.

They killed people for Cartoons, this is the Holy Book.

I hope I am wrong but history has shown otherwise... Smile


Oh, I will not be surprised, but the book burning is not the thing doing the harm then. You can't defer responsibility for he actions of those doing the killing.
I'm sure you don't, but to say that it will do harm shifts the burden, and is exactly the reasoning used to censor free speech.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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