On 2010-09-13 15:35, Big Jeff wrote:
Joseph Stalin killed MILLIONS of Russians, Stalin was a athiest.

You people who are pointing out that hilter(supposedly), IRA, Abortion Bombings, etc as examples of what 'christians' have done. Using those as examples to justify what muslim terrorists have done. There is one big difference.... Christian leaders denounce the abortion bombings, and christians don't celebratein the streets.

Muslims do, mass demostrations NEVER happen when a abortion clinic is bombed.


By the way, the mosque near ground zero is set to open on 9/11 2012.

Why THAT day? why not in march, april or may? just askin.


(if I spelled any words wong I apologize, TRY to answer my point)

On 2010-09-14 14:44, MagicSanta wrote:
They really schedule to open 9-11-12? If so that kind of adds a clear messege and it isn't good.

On 2010-09-13 16:11, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

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On 2010-09-13 15:35, Big Jeff wrote:

By the way, the mosque near ground zero is set to open on 9/11 2012.

Why THAT day? why not in march, april or may? just askin.

Apparently THAT day is just made up. According to factcheck.org

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Is the center scheduled to open on Sept. 11, 2011?

Organizers say no. As best we can determine, the idea that the cultural center and mosque would open that day is unfounded speculation. Project organizers say that no official date has been set for the opening of the proposed center. Imam Rauf told Newsday back in May that it could take anywhere from 18 months to three years to raise the money to complete the project, and added that the center wouldn’t open on the anniversary of Sept. 11. Project organizers took to the social networking site Twitter as recently as Aug. 20 to knock down the claim, saying: "Reports that we will open on 9/11 or begin construction on 9/11 are false and inflammatory. Our timeline to build is 18 - 38 months."

The idea that the center and mosque would open on Sept. 11, 2011 — the 10-year anniversary of the terrorist attacks in 2001 — has been bandied about on blogs and discussion boards. The American Freedom Defense Initiative sponsored advertisements that may have also contributed to that thought. The initiative’s ads appeared on New York City buses and asked, "Why There?," with an image of a plane flying into a burning World Trade Center, next to a rendering of the proposed building with the words "September 11, 2011, WTC Mega Mosque."

John

On 2010-09-13 21:53, MagicSanta wrote:
You are correct GWD and your point is valid and one I am aware of. I have my own view of Christianity which I think makes far more sense than those with believe, and note I said 'believe', that they take the Bible literally. That being said the issue at hand is there has to be a point where a belief system has to be altered in action to represent the reality of the world situation. Lets face it, an eye for an eye? Stoning a woman you don't consider proper? Enslaving others? Treating a wife as property? Those are wrong approaches and while I know there are sickos out there that believe some of those are fine and good and LIVE it they are the great minority, thank goodness.

There are people who really and trully believe that it is fine to kill another person who does not share their beliefs. I have been to countries where that belief exist and have seen bodies just laying in the streets. The simple fact is Islam has followers that are both very sophesticated and living in modern cities and those that live in a manner very much the same as it was a thousand years ago. No one has the guts, and I can see why, to stand up and say "This is flat out wrong, those statements in the Koran are flat out wrong, we do not have the right or obligation to kill those who believe differently, we do not want our young men to die as martyrs, we need to accept that other beliefs are just as valid or invalid as ours and it is just a question of faith"' The problem is if someone does take a stand like that there are thousands who are willing to kill that person and realllllly believe it is a great thing and they will be rewarded.

Yes, Islam needs to realize that they can exist without that chain of hate but the simple fact is those chains are fanstastic forms of power for Imans and political leaders. It also is a great way for those without any power to feel good about themselves. They live in a hut with a dirt floor and poop into a pot but, by golly, THEY are right with their version of God and they are thus better than everyone who ISN'T a believer in fact they have, in their minds, the power of death over those in their towers and marble floors. Islam just happens to be the widest example of this extreme belief without consideration of others being taked into account. This is because other religions that are also based on fundimental beliefs that have not changed for centuries are not prostelizing and of the belief that doing so by the sword is the way to go.

Muslims are not a bad people and many, most in fact, either realize they shouldn't act on the doctrine or they realize that they have a pretty good life in the states, Canada, or Wisconsin and don't want to blow it. The fact remains that there are hundreds of thousands of them that not only would kill you or me but their own religion followers who are not, in their minds, at their level of religions faith. Those people are like comparing a modern soldier to those guys who use to line up for God and Country and walked in a straight line up to each other and blow each others brains out while their leaders stood on a hill and watched. Want to be a Muslim? Cool, they are as misguided as anyone else, but as long as they don't hassle me I won't hassle them and if they want to be friends and we have things in common then we be pals. It is wrong, though, to hassle them just because of how they look, believe, or dress. I will react to their actions though.

On 2010-09-14 18:22, tommy wrote:
Alex Breaks Down The Bizarre CIA Ties to Ground Zero Mosque

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKzMbjB5hdY

On 2010-09-12 20:27, Woland wrote:
Critter,

I'm not sure exactly what you objected to in my comments. But I think that there are more than a few Muslim immigrants here in the USA, who came here precisely to escape the oppressiveness of shariah law. They did not expect to find an atmosphere in which the perpetrators of shariah law with all its excesses would be tolerated much less encouraged.

America is a country that in its founding documents explicitly placed itself under God's law. But not shariah law.

Woland

On 2010-09-22 18:48, gdw wrote:

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On 2010-09-12 20:27, Woland wrote:
Critter,

I'm not sure exactly what you objected to in my comments. But I think that there are more than a few Muslim immigrants here in the USA, who came here precisely to escape the oppressiveness of shariah law. They did not expect to find an atmosphere in which the perpetrators of shariah law with all its excesses would be tolerated much less encouraged.

America is a country that in its founding documents explicitly placed itself under God's law. But not shariah law.

Woland

Um, no it did not. It was explicitly placed separate from ANY religious law.