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Harmless, except it would require the pictures be taken in the first place, which would be harmful.


I'm not sure I agree. How much harm was done to the coppertone baby?

The only harm here that I can see is if the society the child lives in makes it shameful. Which, as we were just discussing, it sounds like it wasn't.

We need to be careful not to project our own puritan roots on other cultures.


Well, I'd hardly call my roots puritan. However, you have a point. Though I wouldn't say one can forgive something just because it is a different culture.

I did of course, make an assumption, and that was little "girls" were probably old enough to have a say, and were having their pictures taken without them really getting their say. Which WOULD be causing harm, no matter the culture.
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I was told that Carroll had recieved permission from the parents. I haven't verified that.
That the photos were taken there is no question. They have appeared in numerous biographies of the man. The exact conditions under which they were taken I haven't really researched. Carroll is also known to have detested little boys though. Something just seems not right about him, but it's just a feeling and has little objective basis.
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Its hard to figure who he is when he is everyone.
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Back then people lived until their mid teens and were usually married with children by age eight. None of this has anything to do with my brilliant solving of the Ripper case, which shall now be known as the Conan the Cutter case.
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On 2010-09-13 09:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Didn't Patricia Cornwall solve this already?


Yes, she makes a very good, if circumstantial case against an semi-famous artist of the time.
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My bad, it was meant to be a casual throwaway comment.
I always thought of Doyle as well meaning, if completely delusional. This is certainly another way of thinking about him.
Consider that he believed that our world was inhabited by fairy folk and ghosts that communicate with us.
Ghosts were his religion and religion is a common theme in the delusions of schizophrenics.
But depending on the depth of his insanity then an awareness of consequences may not have registered, so that fear wouldn't have caused him to stop altogether.
It's a very interesting idea.
It would be a lot of fun to research and put the case together and write a book about the theory.
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In Doyles defense and many others in the 20s that clung to the mediums and all that BS they were greatly effected by WW1. Doyles son died as a result of the war and that has been credited in pushing him into the hope of contacting him. It was always odd that a man who's writings were so scientific and logical was, in reality, a guy who believed in pretty much anything.

Ed, to call Doyle 'semi-famous' is far from accurate. Doyle was extremely famous in fact after he killed off Holmes around 1893 he was pretty much forced to bring him back to life, and did. His books still sell, the theme is carried on in TV shows and movies today, Sherlock Holmes is one of the most recognized names in literature, try to find someone who doesn't know who the character is.

Just imagine what Doyle could have done had he not been hacking ***s up.
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I read the complete Sherlock Holmes series in junior high.
The fact that it was Doyle had me going on those fairies for a while. I thought, "Man, if the guy who wrote Sherlock was convinced..."
I think a lot of people in those days felt the same. Doyle was an important figurehead for the movement.
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It was an odd friendship that Doyle had with Houdini. It fell apart when Houdini insulted or caught a medium tha Doyle really believed in. Go look at those photos of the fairies and see if you are not embarrassed for believing in 'em.
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Ed, to call Doyle 'semi-famous' is far from accurate.


Ed wasn't calling Doyle semi-famous; he was calling Walter Sickert semi-famous.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Who in the name of the horned god Boogy Jones is Walter Sickert?

Deadnought is writing a book on the Ripper.
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On 2010-09-13 09:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Didn't Patricia Cornwall solve this already?


Yes, she makes a very good, if circumstantial case against an semi-famous artist of the time.


One time for you, Santa, cuz you're my pal.

"She" = Patricia Cornw(e)ll.

Her book makes the case not against Doyle, but against Walter Sickert.

Who is Walter Sickert? A semi-famous artist of the time.

Good to go?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I would love to see a pastiche with Sherlock Holmes hunting Jack the Ripper, only to find that it's Doyle. How surreal.
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Thank you Lobo....Walter has nothing to do with this!
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On 2010-09-14 15:43, MagicSanta wrote:
In Doyles defense and many others in the 20s that clung to the mediums and all that BS they were greatly effected by WW1. Doyles son died as a result of the war and that has been credited in pushing him into the hope of contacting him. It was always odd that a man who's writings were so scientific and logical was, in reality, a guy who believed in pretty much anything.

Ed, to call Doyle 'semi-famous' is far from accurate. Doyle was extremely famous in fact after he killed off Holmes around 1893 he was pretty much forced to bring him back to life, and did. His books still sell, the theme is carried on in TV shows and movies today, Sherlock Holmes is one of the most recognized names in literature, try to find someone who doesn't know who the character is.

Just imagine what Doyle could have done had he not been hacking ***s up.



No. No. No. No. No. I would never call Doyle "semi-famous." The comment was about the suspect in Patricia Cornwall's book "Jack The Ripper - Case Closed." She has decided that a semi-famous artist, Walter Sickert was Jack the Ripper.

She financed DNA tests on some Ripper artifacts and on some known artifacts owned by Sickert. The conclusions were not definitive since she only got the most basic type of DNA, but they did match. She also went through Walter's life and found circumstantial evidence that linked him to the murders.

As I said, I don't think it could hold up in court, but short of finding a diary "How I Was Jack The Ripper" with a signed confession, it's probably the best case I've read.
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I thought I might revive the initial question of the thread which was "where is Dreadnaught?"

Haven't heard anything from him for a while now.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Gee, he has had his career and religion attacked and insulted at a level that shocked even a heathen such as myself, I'm shocked he isn't around anylonger.
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On 2010-09-22 17:48, MagicSanta wrote:
Gee, he has had his career and religion attacked and insulted at a level that shocked even a heathen such as myself, I'm shocked he isn't around anylonger.


Ah huh. I assume you are referring to me. Please show where I directly attacked his career and religion.
Also, He and were having a conversation via PM that was extremely cordial, and were getting along just fine.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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He is very cordial and I wasn't refering to you in particular and not at all in the attack on his religious beliefs. The person who did that shocked me by his statements.

Dread is my ripper expert, I bet my final disclosure of Doyle being the dude ruined his book,
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