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http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cardoracle/id373740306?mt=8

I found this new app for iPhone/iTouch last week.
But the PRICE is expensive for me. $64.99.
Any one have this app? Can write a review or a video for it?

As the App Say:

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CardOracle isn't just a magic trick using an iPhone. It is not just a gadget either.
It is a true professional routine that has mystified some of the most experienced magicians around the world... and, most of all, has completely baffled spectators.

CardOracle is able to predict which playing cards are dealt... from a shuffled deck!

You launch CardOracle and give your iPhone and an ordinary deck of playing cards to a spectator. From this moment, you are no longer going to touch your phone, nor are you going to manipulate the deck: everything happens right in the spectator's hands.
The deck is removed from its case and thoroughly shuffled by a spectator. They deal 5 cards face down on the table. The deck is then shuffled again by the spectator and 4 of the 5 cards turned face up and keyed one by one into the CardOracle application which then makes a prediction. 'The next card will be... (for instance) the King of Hearts'. The fifth card is turned over: it IS the King of Hearts!
This is just the beginning though...
The spectator then deals 4 face down cards. These are shuffled and one is placed aside. The remaining three cards are keyed into CardOracle in the order they wish. Once again, CardOracle makes a prediction as to what card is next and, when the fourth card is turned over, it is the predicted card!
But things are still far from over...
The spectator turns over half the deck and shuffles once more. They freely choose 2 of the face-up cards and enter these in CardOracle. Yet again, CardOracle predicts without fail what card is next!
Now for the grand finale!
The iPhone is shaken and a whole deck of cards appears on the screen, the top card being the same as the one on the deck on the table - let's say it's the 3 of Spades.
The next card on the iPhone is the 5 of Clubs. So it is on the deck!
Following that is the Queen of Hearts on both the iPhone and the deck!
And so on, and so on!
In front of the bemused and bedazzled spectator's eyes, the iPhone has managed to predict the order of the entire shuffled deck, right after it had been shuffled by them!
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Sounds very similar to Al Strangers Incredible Poker Machine.

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I'm curious if they got al's permission or John Mendoza's to release this.
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Also looking for a review on this Smile
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Thanks for your confidence. I recognize specific café's member dedication to rise little scandal.

Let's be crystal clear about sources and records :

First the basic concept has his roots on a matematical discovery by Dick Chenay published in 1950 (neither Al stanger, nor Mendoza). Followed few years later by the magician Max Katz.

Later Al had the idea to implement this idea on a calculator which was a brilliant idea.
Later We decided to implement other ideas and this one on a smartphone.

Otherwise the mecanics and the working of the routine are differents from Al Stanger's version. Which mostly depends on Chenay's work. We do not.

Hope this clarifys things.

I hope that rather than arousing suspicion about the obtained or not permission, people will just take info BEFORE.

This said I sincerely hope that you'll enjoy this app which is a litle jewel to perform.

A review ?

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It does sound like the Poker Machine but I know nothing about it. I have received at least four previous emails from various magician/progammers who had worked up an application for the Poker Machine to be used on an iPhone. There's not much I can do if someone decides to apply it.

I have heard of this Chenay (or Cheney) reference before, however, nobody seems able to give me the exact name of the book or publication in which it appeared. I would love to read it as I was not aware that the former Vice-President did card tricks (just kidding!) Admittedly, I am not well-read on pre-1950 books, especially those by an obscure author.

Anyway, good luck to whoever developed it. In the early stages of the Poker Machine, a few accused us of lifting Alex Elmsley's Mouse Magic, however, that was not the case either, so I don't really much worry about such things. I do think the combining of several mathematical principles is definitely Al's original concept and the further combination of simple card moves and/or principles used in conjunction with the mathematical program are also original to the Poker Machine.

To be honest, I figured it was just a matter of time before someone "evolved" the Poker Machine to an iPhone app. However, performing this type of effect with a cell phone is not as effective as having a dedicated machine that can somehow divine unknown cards. It's like playing craps on a computer. It's not quite the same as really being at the table, neither for the actual player or anyone watching.

Good luck with the item and I would really appreciate being given the specific reference in literature where this was supposedly first introduced.
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Yves Domerengue wrote: "Otherwise the mechanics and the working of the routine are different from Al Stanger's version. Which mostly depends on Chenay's work. We do not. "

While I don't care about the iPhone app, such unfounded statements should not be made. That's how controversies start. Since the routine for the Poker Machine which most people are familiar with from the L&L DVD set, was routined by me and I never even heard of Chenay, the working of the Poker Machine routine is not even remotely dependent on Chenay's work. I also just viewed the link and the screenshot does, in fact, look exactly like a graphic of the Poker Machine for an iPhone screen.

But, as I said, it doesn't much matter to me. It's just not an issue so let's not make it one. I just wanted to clarify that unless we're talking about the former V.P. of the U.S., I have no idea who Dick Chenay is or was. I still think the Poker Machine is better...but then I am obviously biased! Take care, everyone.
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I don't know Chenay, but CardOracle IS way too different from Al Stanger's version to be called "variation"... I played with it for some time now and I can assure you it's a totally unique effect!
Whatever in terms of plot, method or impact it's unique and different from all what you ve seen before... and I trully think you can't get that clean with any standard version of Poker Machine Smile
Just my humble opinion Smile
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Price has come down to a more reasonable $34.99. Anyone else willing to review this?
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I think theres a general reluctance to try this as, on the UK version of App store, the description is in French. Therefore, I can only assume that once downloaded, the instructions are in French. An expensive risk to take?

Yves?

STOP PRESS: Yves just responded by email that the instructions are in English. I'm gonna have a go...
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Okay - sussed it!

Here's my opinion.

On the basis that a good DVD release is about £15-£20 for a one trick pony these days, I have to say that £21 for this app is actually well worth the money. Particularly so when you consider the intellectual material that has gone into it and the quality of the whole production.

First off, the instructions might give you a bit of a headache. I thoroughly recommend that you write them down elsewhere and refer to them whilst you are trying it out. It's easy to forget something as you flip from instructions, training mode and performance mode.

The Training Mode is excellent and is a good reference to ensure you are adopting the correct approach. I found it annoying that no-where does it say what constitutes a high card from a low card (except for the blidingly obvious - I'm referring to a seven/eight here.) (For those who have it - seven and below is low!) By a similar token, it doesn't state whether an ace is high or low (I found out its low.)

There's more mental gymnastics to ponder if your Target Card is a King - but don't worry about this too much. The explanations are clear, but its another step during the thought process during performance. Don't even think of trying to do this after a drink or two! ;-)

I don't want to put anyone off! I was performing this within an hour after a distraction-free study of the instructions. There is a video of the performance too, though mine has no sound (tho' none needed) which helps confirm what you need to be doing.

Going back to the King thing - I've found a way of merely ensuring that the Target Card is not a king. Nothing ground breaking - just alter the order of the cards in the first phase.

What might put people off is the, "It's obviously another example of Ipod technology trickery performing and not the magician..." etc, etc. Well, it is, I suppose, but it can be performed in such a way that you actually make that abvious from the offset. "I have programmed into this Card Predictor exactly what will happen to this deck of cards. I did this before I came out.." or words to that effect. Even then, it is THE SPECTATOR who is unwittingly doing 'the necessary' to the ipod as he inputs card that are revealed as they are turned over from the deck. Very very clever. If you are totally confident, you need not touch the ipod or cards! Though I find it necessary to handle the cards towards the end reveal.

The downside is that it can't be utilised FASDIU. A very small set up is required (but can be overcome by other means.) Thereafter, the deck can be examined and used for any other effects.

It is a great entertainment piece with four phases which reveal amazing 'predictions.' The finale being truly outstanding!

One of the best magic apps out there - appropriately priced in my opinion and sure to get those reactions that we all seek.

But, it aint a quickie!

9/10
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Great review, Roger. Thank you!
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Thanks for your review.

CardOracle is really a piece of entertainment, not aquickie.
As you said, audience reaction are really amazing.
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Hi there !

Today we uploaded on apple platform the new update of CradOracle.
At the menue :
- correction of bugs
- Possibility to change the background
- credits update

Be ready to update in the bext days !

BTW we are open to every new design. If you have anything to propose us, email me. Yous skin will be added to the next update !

Y
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I did it, and I'm still waiting for the answer... Smile (maybe I got the wrong email?...)

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How different is this from the poker machine routine by John Mendoza? It sounds very similar and I don't want to 're-invent the wheel' and own a similar routine, unless, of course, there are significant differences. Is there a demo vid anywhere?
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Julien : did not get your email ? yves@bluesource.fr

Captainsmiffy : Unless part of the roots of CardOracle are in Poker Machine, the method is significantly différent.

The major idea is the ending of the routine : the iphone knows the all deck sequence !

This is a big and great endng to any version of Cheney's trick.
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I think this is absolutely brilliant, love it! I am perorming it quite a bit, however, I am getting comments like 'That's a clever app', 'I wonder if I can get that on my phone' sort of comments, how do people present this? Any tips on taking it away from being an app and into a....whatever it is! lol
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