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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts 
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Can someone explain to me why we (yes, WE. We ARE the Government) Executed a Woman who did not kill anyone, yet we gave Life to the two guys who actualy did the dirty deed. I just don't get it.
Iven 
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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She masterminded the operation to kill two people and hired the two people to do it. She was the proximate cause, much like Charles Manson masterminded everything, but didn't kill anyone...perhaps a bad example because he's not on death row - but that's California, which is a different place altogether.
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gdw Inner circle 4816 Posts
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Oh boy.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
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AsL Special user 650 Posts
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Could somebody post a link for those that are less up-to-date with current events...like myself? TIA.
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AsL Special user 650 Posts
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I'm assuming the VA woman is the person being discussed...
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1875 Posts
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No one can explain it to you. The death penalty is barbaric.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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balducci Loyal user Canada 230 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 12:02, AsL wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/23/wom......testnews It's probably worth reading the story to get the background / details. It's a little complicated. Also, one of the killers committed suicide in 2006.
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gdw Inner circle 4816 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote: Ditto
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 750 Posts
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At an earlier behind closed doors trial,judge Teresa Lewis,meted out the death penalty to two innocent people.
Apparently she wholeheartedly agreed with the death penalty.Even when no crime was committed.
What do we want?
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote: Quote:
On 2010-09-24 12:33, gdw wrote: You guys wouldn't last long out here in Texas. We've fried people for less...
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gdw Inner circle 4816 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 13:06, Ray Tupper. wrote: Yeah, so that makes it ok to do it to her? Do we really base our morality on what others do and think?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 230 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 10:44, irossall wrote: You probably already know this, but for others who may not see the same discrepancy: (From the FOXNews link I posted) "The Lewis execution stirred an unusual amount of attention because of her gender, claims she lacked the intelligence to mastermind the killings and the post-conviction emergence of defense evidence that one of the triggermen manipulated her." Another links notes: "Her supporters never said Lewis was innocent or that she shouldn't be punished. But they said she did not deserve to die because she was borderline mentally retarded, with the intellectual ability of about a 13-year-old, and was manipulated by a smarter conspirator. It was wrong for her to be sentenced to death, they said, when the two men who fired the shots received life terms." http://hamptonroads.com/2010/09/teresa-l......-stepson If it is as these stories say, then perhaps she lacked a good enough lawyer. And I wonder what the actual post-conviction defense evidence was?
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5845 Posts
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I think it is important to get the message out to women, inparticularly my wife, that it is WRONG to have your husband killed, just plain wrong.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 20488 Posts
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote: Yea gotta say I am not a fan either. Too much "ick" on it for me. Texas has trie to speed the process along as much as possible of late.
Danny Doyle
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Brian Proctor Inner circle Somewhere 2319 Posts
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She had it coming. Her peers decided she was wicked enough to have her life snuffed like she had her family members. You don't want to be executed, don't have your family killed.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5845 Posts
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What about strangers?
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RS1963 Inner circle 2716 Posts
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On 2010-09-25 01:42, Brian Proctor wrote: Exactly. To Santa that goes for strangers too. If one doesn't want to pay the price they have to face once they have committed such crime they shouldn't do it. It doesn't matter what the person's mental status of the person that commits the crime at the time it takes place either. But I know you don't agree with death sentences but that's o.k. that's not a strike against you. It's your opinion which you are very entitled too. I'm glad they did it to her. Thankfully the Gov wasn't a wimpy one. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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I'd like to know how borderline she is.
The fact is that the courts have upheld the execution of mentally retarded individuals as unconstitutional under the 8th amendment. Their inability to comprehend the nature and purpose of their punishment undermines the retributive aspects as well. The most widely accepted IQ score used for mental retardation diagnosis is the DSM standard of 70. The problem is that IQ tests aren't all that accurate. So if she's really borderline then that's getting into pretty sensitive territory, constitutionally speaking. That all varies by state, as with pretty much all legal discussion, but these are the most common definitions. On a personal level, I am against the death penalty as well. My main reason isn't that I don't think killers should be punished though, it's that there is a historical precedent of executed individuals later being found innocent of the crime for which they were killed. That means that the state has murdered innocent people. It's a fact. I feel that if we execute one innocent person then that's one too many.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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Anyone who wants to review that 8th amendment business can research "Atkins v Virginia."
We had to study a looooooooooot of these cases in my forensic psych classes.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Christopher Congreave Veteran user U.K 377 Posts
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What I don't understand is why you would want to be a witness, I am sure that the family are upset, but why would you want to watch her being put to death (shudder)?
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