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On 2010-10-25 10:25, jdmagic357 wrote:This whole post reminds me of a saying I once heard "never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."


I don't know where this came from, but I once read:

"Before you criticize someone you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them you are a mile away, and you have their shoes!"

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Dougini, never heard that before quite funny and true. Thanks for the laugh. I've seen a quite a bit of reviews online for Criss' kits and seems to have very positive feedback. To be in 40-50,000 retail stores in US, I'm sure can't be bad for dollar value as most of these big retailers wouldn't want on their shelves if crap. Even Richard Kaufman of Genii Magazine says it's the best kit to come out in many years. It's funny how many feel Criss is a dim wit, but he must be a very sagacious business man to get these in so many outlets. For him to profit on this at this time is ok in my opinion. If any of you came out with a "better mouse trap", who wouldn't market and make a few well deserved dollars.
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Is this kit the same as the mindfreak ultimate magic kit? I think he includes his self levitation and some floating bill and/or napkin. What do you think about this?
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I am afraid that if I spoke my mind about this, there are some Angel Fans who would think that I am crazy or senile or both.
If Angel's exposure of magic effects does not bother you, that's just fine with me.
After reading this and several other threads, I decided that I was not well enough informed to make any decision.
So, I went to my neighborhood thrift store and found Mr. Angel's "Magic Kit."
When you first open the box, the first thing that is noticeable is a cheap TT and a red piece of clothe.
Next, there is a card wrapped in IT. There are also several pieces of plastic that vaguely resemble real effects.
No young person could ever fool anyone with any of this kit. It is total c**p. This junk is a great way to convince any young magician to take up the clarinet.
I do not know why Richard Kaufman would call this the best kit in years. While I respect him, I seriously disagree with this evaluation. I have looked at just about every magic kit that has been put out in the U.S. in the last 50 years. This one ranks right at the very bottom.
Furthermore, the box says that the "AMG" named him the magician of the century. (Academy of Magicians Greece) Smile As much as the Grecians love him, perhaps he should consider staying there.
I would really like to know how names like Blaine, Copperfield, René Lavand, Lorayne, McBride, Juan Tamariz, Tommy Wonder, Harry Houdini, Harry Blackstone, Sr., Harry Blackstone, Jr. and many, many others were lower on the Century list than Angel. If they were just talking about fame or recognition, then Brittany Spears should be named "Singer of the Century."
I know that my ineptness has hurt the fraternity at times. I am truly sorry for that.
But, if I had a vote, this person would never again be allowed to use the moniker "magician."
I have not walked a mile in his shoes, and do not wish to do so. Perhaps he is not as sleazy as he appears to be. I will make no judgements about his character or his capabilities. But the harm that he has done to the magic fraternity is despicable.
It might be wrong to say that he does not give a happy d**n about the future of the magical arts, but his behavior certainly seems to indicate such.
Parson

BTW, I forgot to mention Henning, Jay, Fred Kaps, Harry Kellar, Balentine, Robert Harbin, Tarbell, Andre' Kole, LeVant, Li Sing Foo, Mark Wilson, Dell Odell, Narni Wilson, Maven, Goldstein, Okito, Si Stebbins, Malini, Msrshall, Mann, Marlo, Chung Ling Soo, Kuda Bux and the kid down the street.
Would you please tell me which of these deserves to be "Magician of the Century" Less Than Angel.
Isn't saying that Angel is the "Magician of the Century," making a "judgement" that any of these are not as worthy of the title?
I have spent enough of my time fuming about CA. May the "Magician of the Century" receive all of the recognition that he deserves.
Furthermore, can you tell me even ONE effect in his "kit" that wasn't invented or created by someone other than himself?
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I have absolutely no respect for Crissy Angel.
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Crissy angel as you like to call him has done an awful lot pro and con for magic during his career. To not respect the 5 time winner of the magic castles "magician of the year" award just sounds to me like jealousy. I've met Criss while he had his show on Broadway in NYC and at the time, he was one of the nicest guys in magic I had ever met. We even got free tickets to the show because we are magicians. However since his A&E thing, he does seem to have let it go to his head a bit. But might not fame do that to anyone? I don't know as it has never been my wish to give up my private life for fame. (although I could have) but to knock a guy just cause he made it, seems to me a bit petty. This whole post reminds me of a saying I once heard "never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."


"To not respect the 5 time winner of the magic castles "magician of the year" award just sounds to me like jealousy."

To not respect someone who relies on stooges, camera editing & considers himself "the greatest magician of all time", sounds to me like someone who actually cares about the art of magic.


"knock a guy, just because he made it"?

Are you on drugs?

However it is that you read in to my post about someone selling a cheaply made magic item that many professionals use in their working repertoires to the general public next to candy & toys is beyond me.

I'm so happy your a fan of Smile Mr. Angel Smile ,I am not.

I was a HUGE fan years ago,now the "magic" he does is laughable.


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The "Magician of the Century" is now selling a do-it-yourself levitation.
Want to bet it is an idea he created?
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On 2010-09-28 23:44, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
"Then, they came for me..."


I have nothing to add to this thread. Sorry. But that is an excellent quote, used very aptly.
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First let me say that I am not a fan of Criss Angel's, but you can't deny he has an excellent marketing team! Look at how many other popular magicians have marketed cheap tricks that have been in corner shops for the past 40 years. I am sure his main goal is to make money (like most of us). Titles that he has received or given himself all add to the marketing power of his name which basically means more moolah in his pocket. Other than Jim C. I can't think of Criss ever going after a fellow magician or bashing ones performance and actually from what I have seen and heard he is a pretty nice guy to talk to. Well that's my 2 cents.
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Tis the season for magic kits. Yes I started in magic almost 50 years ago with a magic set, but it seems different these days. First, quality seems very poor (but so do some magic sold in magic shops, I'm afraid!). But more importantly, I get concerned that tricks that require real skill (multiplying balls, linking rings, using a thumb tip, rice bowls, to name a few), will either discourage budding magicians, or be performed so poorly that all that is revealed is the secret.

I guess I'd rather see the old tricks still included (even Angel's set is heavy on the "standards"), than new ones (like the pen through dollar), but it is indeed frustrating.
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Yeah this bugs me, but honestly -I've got a lot of bigger issues clamoring for my attention than whether or not Chris Asshat is further prostituting magic to buy another porn star girlfriend or a another season on basic cable...
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Larry Anderson's Jaw Droppers was a 30 minute infomercial that aired for the world to see. Marshall Brodien had ads for Svengali and Stripper decks, along with other classic tricks, on tv AND in Walmart, which is where I bought my first set. Toys R Us has sold magic kits for years. You can even find magic kits at the Dollar Tree stores. Almost all of these are low quality props designed with the simple purpose of making money.

I understand it's all the rage to bash Criss Angel, but you just sound bitter when you complain about him, only to ignore the other guys that did the same thing. And that's coming from a guy that's NOT a fan. Imagine how his fans feel.

Again, magicians have been doing this for many, many years. It's nothing new with Criss.
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"I understand it's all the rage to bash Criss Angel, but you just sound bitter when you complain about him, only to ignore the other guys that did the same thing."

I am not bashing Angel because it is "all the rage."
And I'm sure as shootin' not bitter.
I wrote what I did for two reasons.
#1. I checked out the kit and it's contents. It was only after I saw an infomercial that he was "giving away" a self levitation that I became angry. If he is "giving away" the levitation that I imagine, then shame on him. It is not his to give away. If it is another, workable levitation, I will gladly apologize.
I do not think that there is anything that he is selling or "giving" that he created. Again, if you can show me that I am wrong, I will be more than happy to offer an apology.
But, if you think that I am mistaken, kindly give me the name (or even a description) of something that he created.

#2. I was completely livid when I saw his claim as "magician of the century." To make this claim seems putrid when there were many, many magicians who were far greater than Angel.
I do not know him. He may indeed be pleasant to talk with. But for me, I can think of dozens of magicians with which I would rather spend time conversing. If being well known is the criteria, then Bill Bixby should be in the running.

I fully admit that he is a great salesman.
But, as I have said more than once, "If fame makes one great then Brittney Speares should be the "Singer of the Century."
I am finished with this topic. If you would like to visit by PM, that would be great.
But, for now, I leave this conversation to the younger and wiser members.
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On 2010-11-14 19:19, Parson Smith wrote:

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the box says that the "AMG" named him the magician of the century. (Academy of Magicians Greece) Smile As much as the Grecians love him, perhaps he should consider staying there.
I would really like to know how names like Blaine, Copperfield, René Lavand, Lorayne, McBride, Juan Tamariz, Tommy Wonder, Harry Houdini, Harry Blackstone, Sr., Harry Blackstone, Jr. and many, many others were lower on the Century list than Angel.
...

BTW, I forgot to mention Henning, Jay, Fred Kaps, Harry Kellar, Balentine, Robert Harbin, Tarbell, Andre' Kole, LeVant, Li Sing Foo, Mark Wilson, Dell Odell, Narni Wilson, Maven, Goldstein, Okito, Si Stebbins, Malini, Msrshall, Mann, Marlo, Chung Ling Soo, Kuda Bux and the kid down the street.
Would you please tell me which of these deserves to be "Magician of the Century" Less Than Angel.
Isn't saying that Angel is the "Magician of the Century," making a "judgement" that any of these are not as worthy of the title?
I have spent enough of my time fuming about CA. May the "Magician of the Century" receive all of the recognition that he deserves.
Furthermore, can you tell me even ONE effect in his "kit" that wasn't invented or created by someone other than himself?


I'm not disagreeing with you, but some of those magicians died in the last century. I know its just semantics, but 'of THE century' means from 2000-2099. If it were 'of the PAST century' then you cold include the last one hundred years.

I'm not saying your point isn't valid, It's just not currently accurate.

Jack.
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Awfully pretentious to claim to be the "magician of the century" when we're only 1/10th of the way into the current century. Apparently he can see 90 years into the future as well.
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I know its just semantics, but 'of THE century' means from 2000-2099. If it were 'of the PAST century' then you cold include the last one hundred years.


No. It would mean from 2001 to 2100. Unless there was a Year 0 from which we counted. Instead, there was a Year 1. 1-100 was the first century. 2-200 was the second, and so forth.

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On 2010-12-02 21:57, Parson Smith wrote:

I am not bashing Angel because it is "all the rage."
And I'm sure as shootin' not bitter.



You don't have to convince me. You will, however, have to convince anyone else that hears you complain about him. I'm not even talking to you directly. I've seen numerous magicians talk about how bad he is in front of laymen. Those that haven't seen his show personally all look at them as jealous that he's on top and they're not. It looks bad for the community as a whole.
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On 2010-12-03 10:41, Jack Baines wrote:

I know its just semantics, but 'of THE century' means from 2000-2099. If it were 'of the PAST century' then you cold include the last one hundred years.


No. It would mean from 2001 to 2100. Unless there was a Year 0 from which we counted. Instead, there was a Year 1. 1-100 was the first century. 2-200 was the second, and so forth.

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So you're one of those people who celebrated the millennium on January 1st 2001? haha
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If by "celebrating," you mean sleeping past 6 a.m. for a change -- yep. After all, 31 December 1999 was our 26th wedding anniversary.

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