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entity
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It's Guardician. But no, the virus email was sent this time from Tuonela.

I've sent books all around the world, so who knows who might be doing such a lame thing as scanning them and putting them on these sharing sites.

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I recently purchased Mark Tams' 3T book. He seems to have come up with a very clever way to discourage scanning and sharing. In addition to personalizing each page of the book with the buyer's name, he has also altered formatting on some of the pages to make each copy truly unique. Should anyone decide to scan and share the contents it would be easy for Mark to identify the culprit.
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I believe the best way to stop this is don't release your material to the public!

Do your performances and just keep it to yourself. It adds value to your act because you are the only mentalist or magician that can produce your unique results.

It's a business decision. If you can not make a profit on your efforts you are basically working for free. I would really like to see most if not all performers take this position.

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JerryB:

An interesting notion.

In my case, much in the books I write concerns setting the history of mentalism straight in the literature, and correcting mistakes in other written histories. I think this is a service to the mentalism community, and people seem to respond favorably to what I've written in this area. I like to be paid for the work that I do, so I sell my books rather than give them away, and I think that keeping my research in these areas to myself would be bad for mentalism.

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That is why I never release PDF files. My books have been scanned and I have found them on several file sharing places. Unfortunately people still scan my directions as long as they may be and post the secrets on the file places.

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Hope this doesn't deter Entity from future works.. it's too good to lose.

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No, it won't.

But I will in the near future release a list of names of those who have approached file sharing sites to share files illegally. I've managed to compile quite a list of actual names and email addresses of such people. I think that making such a list known to magic forums, organizations and most of all to creators who are selling their works would be a useful thing.

Perhaps an ongoing list like that would deter some folks from illegally sharing their files or downloading files from such sites.

Don't know whether I'll publish the list here. I may.

Oddly enough, when I look some of these people up on Facebook, etc., they list as "friends" some of the very people whose ebooks and videos they've been copying and sharing. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

T. Baxter
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Its sick and ugly that a community that was built with secret and trust, has been betrayed by a rat who thinks he/she is magician/mentalist etc.

its today world has corrupted some people with file sharing, I don't about everyone else but I love to own the dvd, book, cd etc, it gives me a sense of pride that I still support the music, movie, magic communities.

But what can we do, there will always be someone out there that does this type of thing

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Perhaps. But we'll soon see if the same people will behave in the same way when the spotlight is on them.

- entity
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Yes, it does seem that "kleptomania is a defining human attribute". Which is really sad. But, of course it extends to everything, not just magic. If it is not bolted down some *** will steal it.

There are ways to control the problem regarding magic books and pdfs. But there are no simple one-off fixes. It requires dedication in continually pulling the stolen files down.

We employ "DR X" to look after these things for us. He'll pull down a stolen file only to find it re-posted within hours. What do you do? You pull it down again, and again, and again and again and again and again and again (yes, over and over and over) until the ****ers get bored and move onto something else. It is very easy to give up! But you can't!

As I say, it can be controlled but it takes dedication and is an ongoing battle. You'll find dozens of links to stolen files for my products, but if try you to download one you'll find the file does not exist at the end location (hopefully). If it does, please contact me and we can have it "killed."

However, the problem itself will never go away so long as greed rules the world. And I can't see that ever changing. "Take, take, take" seems to be the human way. Whatever happened to dignity and integrity?

Sorry for the rant, but this is personal!!

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entity
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What Benny said.

Agreed.

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So ... where can I get all of LOTH's stuff?

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John probably from the same site that has most of my stuff and not to mention your stuff too. Smile Smile

entity I hate these guys as much as you do my friend. I have even had a couple of limited printed works ripped of by someone. So even printing wont stop this madness it just slows it down a bit.
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Benny, that was such a great rant, thanks
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On 2010-10-03 17:10, Ben Harris wrote:

"Take, take, take" seems to be the human way. Whatever happened to dignity and integrity?

Sorry for the rant, but this is personal!!

Benny

Ben,

don't apologize you and others have the right to be upset, as you said it is personal.

also, the take take take mentality seems to me to be more of "collect, collect, collect" just look at facebook people collect friends as a commodity, they don't care about the information/person just the quantity of.

it is as if they use the quantity as a sad attempt to feed one's internal void and using external to fill an internal void, be it food drink friends or information, will never work and this lack of self worth is why we don't see dignity and integrity any more!
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Hi Isid0re,

The Facebook analogy is a fascinating one. I had not thought about if from THAT angle. Thanks, man.

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In the olden days we bought music on vinyl and cassettes. The music, which was really what we wanted and what we paid for, was ineluctably tied to the physical medium on which it was recorded. We also got an unlimited, non-exclusive license to play the music for private use as long as the recording medium lasted. If your records warped in the hot trunk of your car or your lover smashed all of your albums in a fit of rage you were SOL. Likewise if a defective tape deck ate your tape.

Nowadays, children believe that buying a recording, especially if they buy it as an MP3 (assuming they buy music at all) gives them a perpetual and freely assignable right to copy, distribute, use and re-use their music on any and all playback devices that now exist or will ever be invented.

Their baby boomer parents (my generation) cannot muster the moral authority to insist that this is wrong and will not be tolerated.

This simple fact and the exposure explosion on YouTube and other sites means producers of magic and mentalism intellectual property have to think about radically and permanently changing their distribution methods.

Perhaps we have to think of building some kind of web of trusted buyers.

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Mr. Rocketeer is absolutely correct. I'll be honest, I never realized such sites existed and I'm, maybe naively, shocked.
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Rockteer, good suggestion. Lets notch it up a little by embedding a customer code into the product itself.

Members of the actors academy (Oscars) were so bad at giving movies away, that they started encoding the DVD's with an ID. So they would know who gave away the movies.

May be something similar can be done with the printed and DVD products.

BTW, Entity because you got a virus email attempt means you are hitting the target and getting close to a kill shot. Keep it up.

JerryB
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I don't know how hard it is to do, but mevproshop has you wait 24 hours (usually less, but up to) to e-mail you an e-book and at that point each page has your name on it. That way uploading it would just be telling everyone who did it.

Like I said, I don't know how easy that is to do, but I've always thought it was a good idea.
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