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On 2010-11-09 16:37, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
You could but I think if the bag with the brick is chosen it adds to the impact if the performer can fold up or crush the other bag, establishing there was ever only one brick.

What I meant to say was if the bag without the brick is chosen it adds to the impact if the performer can fold or crush it, establishing there was only one bag with a brick.
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If you watch the video you see that the bag with the feather is dropped to floor and doesn't make a THUD it also falls slow. I don't think there was a brick in that bag.
I have closely studied the video and the Freefall principle is not being used.

I think since there is a 50/50 chance, that Max just took a chance that he would go for the bag with the feather. Had he not, then the would not have completed the trick and it would NOT be on the video. Eugene chose the right bag, and you can tell by his expressions, that is really is surprised.
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I don't think he did it with a 50/50 chance.
He did it for real.

This was a demonstration of what you'll be able to do if you consistently and consciously perform.
Max is the real deal.

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On 2010-11-11 11:17, Devin Knight wrote:
If you watch the video you see that the bag with the feather is dropped to floor and doesn't make a THUD it also falls slow. I don't think there was a brick in that bag.
I have closely studied the video and the Freefall principle is not being used.

I think since there is a 50/50 chance, that Max just took a chance that he would go for the bag with the feather. Had he not, then the would not have completed the trick and it would NOT be on the video. Eugene chose the right bag, and you can tell by his expressions, that is really is surprised.


That's pretty much what I thought too. And, by doing so, he demonstrated the power of the 50/50 chance. We are spending pages here debating something that he could have just taken a flyer on. In real life, if you do this and miss, yes, you wouldn't complete the trick, but perhaps you would use the exposure of "what might have happened" into a lead-up into something truly amazing with greater odds.
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On 2010-11-10 02:51, Michael J Redd wrote:
The solution to this whole issue is simple. To paraphrase The Matrix, "There is no [brick]."

Hmm I thought it was Bruce Lee first used this kind of sentence.
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On 2010-11-11 11:17, Devin Knight wrote:
I think since there is a 50/50 chance, that Max just took a chance that he would go for the bag with the feather. Had he not, then the would not have completed the trick and it would NOT be on the video. Eugene chose the right bag, and you can tell by his expressions, that is really is surprised.

The brick/feather thing is presented as a joke, not an effect.

If it were an effect, though, I think it would, indeed, have been completed, only with another outcome. I humbly presented my solution here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=6811136
in the DVD reviews section and I'm keen to see other people's versions.

If nothing else, the brick/feather thing should encourage us to put our thinking caps on, not throw our hands up in frustration/defeat.
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I'm not disappointed to read that that "handout" was not explained, but I am disappointed that it was used as a selling point. The promo clearly gives the impression that this is an effect included on a "teaching" DVD.

I was considering buying this DVD; and the material on it, "handout" aside, may be worth the $79 asking price but I have decided to boycott this. I'm voting with my wallet.
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That's too bad because it's a wonderful DVD and for anyone serious about learning these techniques, you're not going to find a better resource. The DVD was never about the effects. It was about the techniques.

Carlo, you should read the ongoing thread on The Genii Forum for the real story about how the demo was created.
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I do think Carlo makes a good point...it is a good dvd but many of us have a good idea what is going on with 3 or 5 objects. I really wanted to learn what the great man might have taught us with 2 objects and the demo led me to believe that.
Maybe I am just a shallow hack but to me it is about the effects as well.
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On 2010-11-12 23:15, MagicbyCarlo wrote:I'm sure I can live without the information and L&L and Max can live without my $79.

fwiw some stores are offering it for less than $50:
http://madhattermagicshop.com/magicshop/......_id=9479
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Look howMax blocks the left side with his body. The rght hand is used for choosing, Max writes on his left hand as way of demo of the voodoo trick. Eugene would have to reach across his body to point at the left bag. This is a no no of stagecraft.

I think Max would have used Freefall if Eugene picked the wrong bag.
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On 2010-11-13 01:52, Xiqual wrote:
I think Max would have used Freefall if Eugene picked the wrong bag.

I don't know the details of "Freefall" but I just watched a demo on Youtube. If it's anything like the bowling-ball-from-shopping-bag effect, wouldn't there be an angle problem from the participant's point of view?
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This must be a touchy subject as I'm noticing an epidemic of "vanishing posts". This truly is the Magic Café.
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You guys are assuming something that is not the case. Is a brick the only item that will crush a hand? And that will be the last hint I give on this. I know you can figure this out. Again I ask---what did you NEVER see in the video?


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On 2010-11-12 19:03, Mentalist Sam wrote:
That's too bad because it's a wonderful DVD and for anyone serious about learning these techniques, you're not going to find a better resource. The DVD was never about the effects. It was about the techniques.

Carlo, you should read the ongoing thread on The Genii Forum for the real story about how the demo was created.


(emphasis mine) Sam, I will have to disagree with you on this point.

Once a demo is shown about a product it does become about the effects that have been used to advertise the product.

Consumers will use the demo as a gauge(sp) as to what is included in the dvd.
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I did not order this. However I will admit until I read on here it was not included I assumed it was.


Good magic to all,


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On 2010-11-13 19:56, edh wrote:

Once a demo is shown about a product it does become about the effects that have been used to advertise the product.

Consumers will use the demo as a gauge(sp) as to what is included in the dvd.


And THAT is what's wrong with magic today. Monkey see, monkey do
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On 2010-11-13 23:31, Mentalist Sam wrote:
And THAT is what's wrong with magic today. Monkey see, monkey do

Exactly! These days too many people are WATCHING the instructional DVDs they purchase!
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Well I finished the first vision of this dvd and all I can say is that I love it, so much information packed in this dvd that I'll have to watch it over and over again, so many details...
Thanks a lot Mr MAVEN !!
I read somewhere that there might be some easter eggs on this dvd, did anyone found them ?
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