On 2010-11-04 17:18, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
I did not think I would have to answer this again. And here in the Magic Café!

Critter... You miss my point. (And this is an old argument btw...)

I said start from there. Don't stop there.

Of course cross train, even the Gracies cross train.

The knife (edged weapons) and group attack argument trumps ALL Martial Arts, regardless. I don't care what Martial Art(s) you train in.

If you don't believe me, get anyone skilled in knifework (Kali, Silat, Fencing etc) to attack anyone else who is unarmed, with a big red marker pen. See what happens.

Group attack? Take two or three grapplers, doesn't even have to be BJJers, any MMA oriented grapplers to attack you at the same time. See how you fare.

If your argument is that the skills of criminals in the "streets" are not that high than I say the Gracie would do just as well as (or as bad as) anyone.

To point it out again, they still do very well one on one. That is huge for average sized guys that they are. The odds are being evened out nowadays as they have taught their stuff to everyone, now people are just as good as they are. How much they still owe people are their business really, no idea what has happened in that regard.

I still say that if you know no Brazilian Jiu Jitsu at all, just pure wrestling or pure striking, they will still beat you. Judokas might be the only exception as GJJ came from there, just evolving into bare knuckles fighting.

Look at it this way.

If you can't even beat one guy one on one consistently, then you can beat two guys how?

If you can't beat one guy unarmed consistently, then you can beat a guy who is armed how?

The Gracie Techniques are not overrated, they are still the skills that let a smaller person survive against a bigger person unlike the other more strength based Arts. I know, I've experienced and seen it personally.

My original point was more to do with teaching yourself the "indomitable" spirit they embody. They will fight anyone and fare well most of the time. Regardless of size at that. The now cliched "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog that matters..." philosophy.

Attacking the leg then running away? That is common in all Martial Arts, almost all the Martial Arts I've studied have taught that technique, even the Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

But if you don't agree, that's fine.

On 2010-11-04 23:06, seadog93 wrote:
I don't know if it's something anyone here would be interested (if I even ever get around to getting it together) but I've had the idea for a long time now to put together either a 30 or 60 day hypnotic mental training program for martial artists. It wouldn't actually teach anything, so it would only be for martial artists or at least people who have done a good self defense course, but the idea would be for it to help with staying calm, effectively dealing with fear and adrenaline while staying relaxed, developing perseverance and mental endurance and on helping to make your physical techniques more ingrained in your muscle memory (synaptic memory).

This would mostly be for me and my fellow dojo mates, not really for sale; but if this sounds interesting, and again if I really end up putting it together, let me know and I'll send you guys a copy.

On 2010-11-05 15:34, funsway wrote:
When I was in Korea 40 years ago I got to observe a demonstation of various styles by "the best." The most interesting was an old man who "fought" three experts at once. He never threw a punch or kick -- but none of them ever touched him! Instead they ran into each other and just got tired. I began to understand what Chi is. I also saw a man drive silver dollars into a board from about 40 ft away with a flick of his wrist. How do you defend against that?

On 2010-11-05 15:34, funsway wrote:
When I was in Korea 40 years ago I got to observe a demonstation of various styles by "the best." The most interesting was an old man who "fought" three experts at once. He never threw a punch or kick -- but none of them ever touched him! Instead they ran into each other and just got tired. I began to understand what Chi is. I also saw a man drive silver dollars into a board from about 40 ft away with a flick of his wrist. How do you defend against that?

On 2010-11-05 15:17, gdw wrote:
As for the Gracie stuff, yeah, there's a reason the Gracies limited Judokas in their original UFCs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwMnKNNuDM

On 2010-11-05 15:34, funsway wrote:
The most interesting was an old man who "fought" three experts at once. He never threw a punch or kick -- but none of them ever touched him! Instead they ran into each other and just got tired.

On 2010-11-05 18:24, seadog93 wrote:

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On 2010-11-05 15:17, gdw wrote:
As for the Gracie stuff, yeah, there's a reason the Gracies limited Judokas in their original UFCs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwMnKNNuDM

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. It's not an early UFC fight though. It's a later fight in the PRIDE organization, where in if you gave up a certain amount of weight to an opponent you were allowed to decide certain rules in regards to striking on the ground. In the early UFC there were only two rules, no biting and no eye gouging, leading to some very bloody fights that almost got them banned. No they even have rules against small joint manipulation, so even if you had some who was really good at wrist locks (for example) they wouldn't be allowed to use them.

On 2010-11-07 10:40, critter wrote:
Judo is a vastly underrated martial art. Sensei Chinen had this tiny 19 year old girl in his class who had a Judo brown belt before she came to the class. She tossed around the big jocks.

On 2010-11-07 10:40, critter wrote:
Judo is a vastly underrated martial art. Sensei Chinen had this tiny 19 year old girl in his class who had a Judo brown belt before she came to the class. She tossed around the big jocks.