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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2010-11-30 22:26, gaddy wrote: I am in no way surprised or worried that people claim to have seen strange flying things near Roswell. That's kind of what they do there. See also, Skunkworks.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Probably invented by some freemasons...
Quote: On 2010-12-01 18:57, balducci wrote:
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2010-12-01 17:12, Carrie Sue wrote: No, Carrie, what I was saying was, based on the observations that they do have, what we have observed over the time we have been observing, we can begin to conprehend the amount of time things would take to evolve (biological, so as to avoid intentional semantic obfuscation.)
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-01 18:50, Nosher wrote: Please don't misstate what I did not say. I know that the word evolution is constantly shifting in meaning during these discussions, so I was attempting to demonstrate that it is used to explain the origin of the entire universe and everything it contains. Darwinian evolution may only concern itself with life after its origin, but the "scientific community" uses it to cover much more than that. We need to be specific in our discussions. Creationists aren't against evolution. We understand that microevolution -- or change within the basic animal types happens all the time. We simply argue that there are limits -- genetic limits and temporal limits -- that preclude the possibility for macroevolutio (microbe to man through billions of years of mutations) to be true. It just couldn't have happened that way. Carrie Quote:
On 2010-12-01 20:06, gdw wrote: Would you please give me, from your storehouse of knowledge, the absolute best example of the reality of biological evolution, the thing you believe best proves the microbe-to-man hypothesis? I'm curious to know your keystone. Carrie |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
To say " It just couldn't have happened that way. " ends argument. We are all biased.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Will the real Lord God Of The Universe please stand up!
PLEASE STAND UP!
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
All this because NASA is making an announcement?
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
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On 2010-12-01 22:17, Carrie Sue wrote: I did not misstate what you did not say. (Which would be quite a party trick by the way.) Quote:
I imagine this would come as a great surprise to a great many of them. Perhaps a qualifier might help. Carrie, I'm confused about your position now. I would have thought that after your delightfully twee "from goo to you by way of the zoo", that you would have disagreed with Behe, even though you found him quite influential. In Black Box and his later Edge of Evolution books, as well as all his IC stuff, Behe talked about the success of evolution accounting for - the life around us, new organisms appearing and common ancestry (primates to man). You agree with all of this? Lots of people believe in the divine "spark of life" that started life off in the "goo". Others not so much. For a very moving account about faith and science by a Jesuit scientist who used to run the Vatican observatory : http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20081007_1.htm Oh, and Santa - it's probably going to end up being an announcement that they pointed the Hubble telescope at the moon and found where Armstrong dropped his wallet.
Escapemaster-in-chief from all sorts of houdingplaces - Finnegans Wake
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
I was being a little facetious with my previous comment. I heard Rush Limbaugh say that one time and loved it.
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On 2010-12-02 05:12, Nosher wrote: Certainly not. Behe is on the Intelligent Design side of the scenario, which is the area where he has influenced my thinking. I am on the young earth creationist side. So we're still a pretty fair worldview apart. Carrie |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Wow! Giants once walked the earth.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Not all creationists are created equal. FWIW:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/young-cr.htm
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Whups. Well, I certainly now know why Carrie believes macroevolution is impossible. If you've got a time limit of 6000 years (give or take) then yes. We'd still all be bacteria if evolution was the only force at work.
Extend the time limit by a few factors of ten, though, and there may be a few more options available. Please note that I do not think believing in macroevolution precludes believing in God. That's a false equivalence- and I feel it's being pushed upon us by some people who want to limit the definition of God to their specific beliefs alone.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
What time's this announcement coming again?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Carrie. do you have a bias?
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 11:44, EsnRedshirt wrote: So, to you, time becomes the magic element. This is the religious pledge of the evolutionist: "Give me enough time and anything is possible." "We'd still all be bacteria if evolution was the only force at work." Um, if there is no God, then what else do you have? You have matter and energy that organized itself into its present complex form only by pure chance. And if you want to talk about limiting God, those who want to limit God to the laws of the physical universe He supposedly created are the ones who do that. The God who is my friend is big enough to do in a very limited period of time -- six literal days in my view -- what it would take natural processes billions of years, if ever, to do. Carrie Quote:
On 2010-12-02 12:36, kcg5 wrote: Everyone knows I do. I reveal it in everything I write. Carrie |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Given decent initial conditions, consistent rules of combination and sufficient chaos, all kinds of wonderful things can happen. Welcome to the amazing world of cellular automata!
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Not soon enough...
Quote: On 2010-12-02 12:29, gdw wrote:
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 13:00, Carrie Sue wrote: The BIG difference is that we have SEEN that these things happen in time. We are merely positing what would/did happen with an extension of that time. You've never observed any magical being creating everything out of nothing. Scientists have observed infinity more than that to support their theories. Time is not a "magical wand," it is a consistent extension of what we have already observed.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 13:12, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Life!. . .a very nice introduction with applet included.
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
They've even got leakers in NASA. New form of life...well I suppose if you're going to make an announcement, you might as well make it a big one.
Escapemaster-in-chief from all sorts of houdingplaces - Finnegans Wake
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