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... is the title of an artile on page 98 of the Fall 2010 issue of _Filmfax Plus: The Magazine of Unusual Film, Television and Retro Pop Culture_. You're probably familiar with the film footage recorded by a man named Roger Patterson that was widely believed to be proof that Bigfoot exists.

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Phil had the costume, etc., at the combined convention in Louisville in 2008.
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Did anybody really believe the Roger Patterson film?
It was kind of like Spiritualism. Experts swearing the man in a costume could not be a man in a costume.
Roger himself going to his grave saying it was all true.
Kind of like Margery.
But did anybody really buy it?
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Judging by the nut fringe reaction that I see in various forms of print and cable media, I would say that there are at least as many people who believe that film is real as believe that George (Electric Hair) Tsoukalos' theories about the aliens teaching the Egyptians how to build pyramids.

It's funny to watch these bozos when they say, "Well, there's just no way that these people could have made these huge caskets out of granite. They didn't have the tools," when on another channel that's on a slightly different cable network shows how to carve a hole in a piece of granite with a bow, a copper tube and a handful of sand.
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Man, I could hang with Anna Anderson for awhile. And those grainy Project Bluebook era 8 mm UFO films. And the Shroud of Turin. And that Jesse James got away. John Wilkes Booth too.
'Most all of that's been taken away from me now.
But, I always thought that was a guy in a suit, and that Roger Patterson looked seriously nuts.
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Some loons have Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, and JFK all living on an island somewhere because they wanted to get away from their fame.

Unfortunately, too often people substitute sincerity for evidence. Anna Anderson being a case in point.

I like that phrase, "seriously nuts." Thanks, Pat.
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As long as there are "true believers," there will be a support group of other "true believers" to keep them believing.

Think of this. In the magnificent cathedral at Cologne, there is a big, caged-off area that contains a gold-covered casket which allegedly contains the bones of the magi. These were taken from Milan and given to the bishop of Cologne by the Holy Roman Emperor, Friedrich Barbarossa.

In Torino, Italy, (Turin), there is the Shroud of Turin. The date of the revelation that the shroud was purportedly what it has been claimed to be corresponds roughly with the time that the bones of the Magi were first put on display in Cologne.

There are other similar shrines all over Europe. In Rothenburg ob der Tauber, there is a shrine in the Church of St. Jakob that contains three drops of the blood of Christ, according to the authorities.

So, why all the relics? Well, devout (and not so devout) pilgrims would make a pilgrimage to these various and sundry shrines in order to receive the blessings that the relics allegedly conveyed upon them.

So what?

A pilgrim is a tourist. Tourists buy things. If you have tourists coming to your city in large numbers, then you can have inns, public houses and the various support infrastructure required. If they like it, they will tell their friends, who will also make the pilgrimages.

So, let's translate this into modern terms. A tourist goes to L.A. to see the Magic Castle. He stays at a hotel, he visits Universal Studios, he eats at various and sundry restaurants, visits the local magic shop, etc. So it's an INDUSTRY!

If anyone who reads this forum thinks that the story of the Shroud or any other religious artifact will ever be settled once and for all, think again. There will always be a true believer who will tell you that this test was really inconclusive and that concept was false, because the cities want the tourists.

And even if the case is really settled, there will always be skeptics who go to see these things just to see what duped the gilpins into spending their spondulicks to see the elephant.

If you want to really understand what this was about, go to Vienna and visit the Hofschatzkammer. You will see enough pieces of saints and sinners to assemble an entire person, maybe two. And if you really pay attention, you will see that most of these relics came from one town -- Augsburg, Germany.

And there is a history of that area that makes the whole thing make sense in a rather odd way.

But that's a story for a different time, a different place and a different forum. Smile
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Up here in the great Northwest (Oregon & Washington state), there are still many Bigfoot believers. There truly IS a sucker born every minute.
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There is a new cable show called something like "Fact or Faked" that recently showed how a more modern version of a Bigfoot film was faked. Again, basically a man in a suit- this time running. Phil was also at the Buffalo SAM convention.
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I've seen Fact or Fake. I have a smidge of hope for these folks. Sometimes, they give up too easily, though.

The main thing that hoaxers have going for them is that they are not working on a deadline. They have all the time in the world to perfect their hoax.
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Although I do not believe the Shroud of Turin to be the actual death shroud of Jesus, I was lucky enough to see it in person when I was in the military in Italy.
The church put it on display in 1998, only the third time in a hundred years it had been on display.

Whomever and/or whatever did make it should be commended. It is a fine work of art.
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