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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
Critter,
Recheck your definitions. A commune shares things equally, and voluntarily. That's OK if you can live together without government. Socialism as I am using it here is government ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of resources. Excessive tax rates, redistribution of wealth, the whole ball of wax. God is OK with communes as long as the government is a theocracy--ruled by almighty God. We won't have one of those until Christ the King comes back. Until then, free market capitalism is the best thing for our country and our people. Again, God is not a socialist. Carrie |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
There are none so blind as those who will not see. - John Heywood (1546)
Blessed are the hearts that can bend; they shall never be broken. - Albert Camus Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Isaac Asimov Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui. - Helen Keller Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything. - Robert A. Heinlein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. - Anne Lamott
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
And there you go again.
You know what, I can cut and paste quotes, too, but I prefer to compose my own thoughts for the most part and defend my ideas. Try it sometime. It's fun. Carrie |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Carrie Sue
After over 12 hours of continuous posting I think you should take a break.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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thorndyke Regular user Canada 147 Posts |
Taxes, uhm, this was about taxes as I recall...
My socialists friends (I live in Canada so they are all over the place), will go on about making the rich pay (A favorite slogan of the Marxist Leninist party) but ignore the basic fact that they already do. My accountant explained how the tax structure works so I stopped panicking over earning overtime. I now understand more taxes are not being taken off based on the change in hourly pay, but it was at the same rate. This made sense to me, but I have coworkers who refuse overtime because they feel they are being ripped off by a higher level of taxes (on that extra money) which doesn't even factor into their paycheque. Now, if I was able to be considered rich I would have to have a lot more money (something along the lines of Kennedy money) before I would worry about it. Have a National minimum wage, make that the tax free base (zero taxes) then any earnings above that start getting taxed. Less hassle for the poor, easier for everyone to do their taxes, and whatever money comes in is what the government uses to run the country. Not enough? Tough. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Seriously, I understand how the NASA thread went religious, but one about taxes?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Money is the state religion here.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2010-12-10 19:06, Carrie Sue wrote: John 14:2-3 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." Sounds like state sponsored housing to me
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
"Why do we have to pay for it with our taxes? Why can't the government pay for it?"
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2010-12-11 03:16, LobowolfXXX wrote: Is that on the same level as "don't the government take over Social Security and Medicare"?
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2010-12-10 21:43, Carrie Sue wrote: Nah, I don't think I can do it as badly as you do.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Carrie, how do you deal with Romans I?
It seems to me that the NT is explicitly neutral regarding the best form of government. And Carrie, I know the Scriptures at least as well as you do; I'd bet much better. And I have credentials regarding my understanding of government that exceed yours. And my credentials as a conservative (though I no longer call myself one) also exceed yours. By all your standards as a Christian and a thinker, I am one of the "experts" you so often like to cite. So don't go on a tangent trying to teach me or preach to me; slow down, calm down, and be quiet. Do you remember when I publicly rebuked you as a brother a couple of years ago? It was not for being wrong. You often are. It was for being arrogant and harming the cause of Christ, which I don't think is always the case. But You are doing it again. You seem to get so worked up that you lose sight of the bigger picture. The gospel is about Jesus, not Carrie Sue. But you are again too prominant, too loud, too arrogant for Him to shine through. It's no longer about Jesus, but Carrie and Carrie's personal political agenda. That is wrong, and I rebuke you. Likewise, the Gospel is about Jesus, not taxes, evolution, socialism, or homosexuality. You claim to speak Truth, but you do not; for the Truth is Jesus and his Gospel, not convervative American politics. Perhaps you are not alone in your sin of digressing from the Gospel and shining the light on yourself and your message rather than Jesus, but others are not in the midst of a posting frenzy at the Magic Café. Please go speak to your pastor. Print out this message and let him find fault with it. You know I speak with love. But you've gone too far in the last week or two, and someone who loves and understands you needs to tell you. I suppose I should rebuke you in private rather than public, but I think you wouldn't let it sink in. I want to throw a huge flashing light in front of your eyes: Where is Jesus? Where is Jesus? Where is Jesus? Jesus is not shining. Carrie is. Let's change that. BTW, do you happen to be familiar with Ed Dobson? |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I don't care if it rains or freezes
As long as I've got my plastic Jesus Glued to the dashboard of my car You can buy Him phosphorescent Glows in the dark, He's pink and pleasant Take Him with you when you're travelling far
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-10 20:14, Carrie Sue wrote: Oh the irony. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-10 21:13, Carrie Sue wrote: God is the ultimate ownership and control of the means of production and distrubution of our souls. He also enforces excessive penalties (for "sin"), applies the redistribution of sin (Jesus died for our sins), and to the extent that he forbids the worship of other Gods/religions, he restricts our freedom of choice in that regard. He does not allow a "free market" when it comes to which religion we choose to follow (well we can, but we'll pay the price for it). Think again, Carrie. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why don't you guys start a pile on Carrie thread and be done with it?
Fact is that spend less and tax less is what will help. Let people keep more money and they will spend more money in a healty economic environment. I am not saying bow to the Laffer Curve, I am saying that there is a point at which you reach diminishing returns. So what percentage of a persons income do you libs think seems fair to take? Seriously give me a percentage. And is it fair to take a larger percentage from someone who makes more simply because they make more? How can a philisophy so based on what they feel is "fair" say that? So throw out a percentage of income that is "fair" and tell me if it is "fair" that those who have more pay a higher percentage. I mean by definition they already pay MORE defined simply by a percentage anyhow. Really all it seems as if you want people to pay more simply because they have more than you. Great spenders of other peoples money.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I actually think that to some degree, a progressive tax is "fair," because of the disparity not in income, but in disposable income. I do think that someone who needs 95% of his income to reach a subsistence level of living should pay a smaller percentage of that income in tax than someone who needs 1% of his income to do the same.
With respect to the current scheme, though...the top 1% pay something like 37% of all income tax collected. And it's supposed to be an "Ah ha!" moment that deductions and tax cuts disproportionately help them?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2010-12-11 12:15, Dannydoyle wrote: I'm not piling on, Danny, as you probably know. I'm not sure what I'm doing, but I'm not doing that. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2010-12-11 12:29, LobowolfXXX wrote: But if the top 5% own half the wealth in the nation why shouldn't we expect them to pay half of the taxes collected?
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
You want to change the income tax to a wealth tax?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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