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Critter,

Recheck your definitions. A commune shares things equally, and voluntarily. That's OK if you can live together without government.

Socialism as I am using it here is government ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of resources. Excessive tax rates, redistribution of wealth, the whole ball of wax.

God is OK with communes as long as the government is a theocracy--ruled by almighty God. We won't have one of those until Christ the King comes back. Until then, free market capitalism is the best thing for our country and our people.

Again, God is not a socialist.

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And there you go again.

You know what, I can cut and paste quotes, too, but I prefer to compose my own thoughts for the most part and defend my ideas.

Try it sometime. It's fun.

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After over 12 hours of continuous posting I think you should take a break.
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Taxes, uhm, this was about taxes as I recall...
My socialists friends (I live in Canada so they are all over the place), will go on about making the rich pay (A favorite slogan of the Marxist Leninist party) but ignore the basic fact that they already do. My accountant explained how the tax structure works so I stopped panicking over earning overtime. I now understand more taxes are not being taken off based on the change in hourly pay, but it was at the same rate. This made sense to me, but I have coworkers who refuse overtime because they feel they are being ripped off by a higher level of taxes (on that extra money) which doesn't even factor into their paycheque.
Now, if I was able to be considered rich I would have to have a lot more money (something along the lines of Kennedy money) before I would worry about it.
Have a National minimum wage, make that the tax free base (zero taxes) then any earnings above that start getting taxed. Less hassle for the poor, easier for everyone to do their taxes, and whatever money comes in is what the government uses to run the country. Not enough? Tough.
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Seriously, I understand how the NASA thread went religious, but one about taxes?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Money is the state religion here.
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On 2010-12-10 19:06, Carrie Sue wrote:

Where in the Bible did you read THAT?

Carrie


John 14:2-3 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


Sounds like state sponsored housing to me Smile
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"Why do we have to pay for it with our taxes? Why can't the government pay for it?"
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2010-12-11 03:16, LobowolfXXX wrote:
"Why do we have to pay for it with our taxes? Why can't the government pay for it?"


Is that on the same level as "don't the government take over Social Security and Medicare"?
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On 2010-12-10 21:43, Carrie Sue wrote:
And there you go again.

You know what, I can cut and paste quotes, too, but I prefer to compose my own thoughts for the most part and defend my ideas.

Try it sometime. It's fun.

Carrie


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Carrie, how do you deal with Romans I?

It seems to me that the NT is explicitly neutral regarding the best form of government. And Carrie, I know the Scriptures at least as well as you do; I'd bet much better. And I have credentials regarding my understanding of government that exceed yours. And my credentials as a conservative (though I no longer call myself one) also exceed yours. By all your standards as a Christian and a thinker, I am one of the "experts" you so often like to cite. So don't go on a tangent trying to teach me or preach to me; slow down, calm down, and be quiet.

Do you remember when I publicly rebuked you as a brother a couple of years ago? It was not for being wrong. You often are. Smile It was for being arrogant and harming the cause of Christ, which I don't think is always the case. But You are doing it again. You seem to get so worked up that you lose sight of the bigger picture. The gospel is about Jesus, not Carrie Sue. But you are again too prominant, too loud, too arrogant for Him to shine through. It's no longer about Jesus, but Carrie and Carrie's personal political agenda. That is wrong, and I rebuke you.

Likewise, the Gospel is about Jesus, not taxes, evolution, socialism, or homosexuality. You claim to speak Truth, but you do not; for the Truth is Jesus and his Gospel, not convervative American politics. Perhaps you are not alone in your sin of digressing from the Gospel and shining the light on yourself and your message rather than Jesus, but others are not in the midst of a posting frenzy at the Magic Café.

Please go speak to your pastor. Print out this message and let him find fault with it.

You know I speak with love. But you've gone too far in the last week or two, and someone who loves and understands you needs to tell you. I suppose I should rebuke you in private rather than public, but I think you wouldn't let it sink in. I want to throw a huge flashing light in front of your eyes:

Where is Jesus? Where is Jesus? Where is Jesus?

Jesus is not shining. Carrie is. Let's change that.

BTW, do you happen to be familiar with Ed Dobson?
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On 2010-12-10 20:14, Carrie Sue wrote:
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On 2010-12-10 17:08, stoneunhinged wrote:
I mean, why is it so obvious to Carrie that Jesus is a Republican?


Did I say that? All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

Carrie


Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Mt. 19:20ff. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Ezek. 16:49ff. "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."

James 5:1-6. Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. ...Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and with you have withheld, cries out against you; and the outcry of the harvesters has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Luke 6:24. "But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full."

Prov. 14:31. He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.


Ron


The Bible does not recommend that government put its hand into someone's pocket, take out what that person has earned, and give it to someone else.


Carrie


Oh the irony.

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On 2010-12-10 21:13, Carrie Sue wrote:
Socialism as I am using it here is government ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of resources. Excessive tax rates, redistribution of wealth, the whole ball of wax.

God is OK with communes as long as the government is a theocracy--ruled by almighty God. We won't have one of those until Christ the King comes back. Until then, free market capitalism is the best thing for our country and our people.

Again, God is not a socialist.

Carrie


God is the ultimate ownership and control of the means of production and distrubution of our souls. He also enforces excessive penalties (for "sin"), applies the redistribution of sin (Jesus died for our sins), and to the extent that he forbids the worship of other Gods/religions, he restricts our freedom of choice in that regard. He does not allow a "free market" when it comes to which religion we choose to follow (well we can, but we'll pay the price for it). Think again, Carrie.

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Why don't you guys start a pile on Carrie thread and be done with it?

Fact is that spend less and tax less is what will help. Let people keep more money and they will spend more money in a healty economic environment.

I am not saying bow to the Laffer Curve, I am saying that there is a point at which you reach diminishing returns. So what percentage of a persons income do you libs think seems fair to take? Seriously give me a percentage. And is it fair to take a larger percentage from someone who makes more simply because they make more? How can a philisophy so based on what they feel is "fair" say that?

So throw out a percentage of income that is "fair" and tell me if it is "fair" that those who have more pay a higher percentage. I mean by definition they already pay MORE defined simply by a percentage anyhow. Really all it seems as if you want people to pay more simply because they have more than you. Great spenders of other peoples money.
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I actually think that to some degree, a progressive tax is "fair," because of the disparity not in income, but in disposable income. I do think that someone who needs 95% of his income to reach a subsistence level of living should pay a smaller percentage of that income in tax than someone who needs 1% of his income to do the same.

With respect to the current scheme, though...the top 1% pay something like 37% of all income tax collected. And it's supposed to be an "Ah ha!" moment that deductions and tax cuts disproportionately help them?
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On 2010-12-11 12:15, Dannydoyle wrote:
Why don't you guys start a pile on Carrie thread and be done with it?


I'm not piling on, Danny, as you probably know.

I'm not sure what I'm doing, but I'm not doing that.
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On 2010-12-11 12:29, LobowolfXXX wrote:

With respect to the current scheme, though...the top 1% pay something like 37% of all income tax collected. And it's supposed to be an "Ah ha!" moment that deductions and tax cuts disproportionately help them?



But if the top 5% own half the wealth in the nation why shouldn't we expect them to pay half of the taxes collected?
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You want to change the income tax to a wealth tax?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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