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On 2010-12-10 17:08, stoneunhinged wrote:
I mean, why is it so obvious to Carrie that Jesus is a Republican?


Did I say that? All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

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And is she not forgetting the largesse that is visited upon her from the public purse?

Would she like that to be the first national saving?


You people are never going to let go of that bone, are you? You'd rather flaunt my failures in my face than actually discuss ideas.

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Balducci's first name is John? I thought it was Spike?
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And is she not forgetting the largesse that is visited upon her from the public purse?

Would she like that to be the first national saving?


You people are never going to let go of that bone, are you? You'd rather flaunt my failures in my face than actually discuss ideas.

Carrie


What do you mean, "YOU people?"
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All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

Carrie


But isn't everyone in Heaven equal and have all their needs such as housing taken care of by the State? Sounds pretty Socialist to me.
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Balducci's first name is John? I thought it was Spike?


Give the girl a break. All Canadians kinda look the same.
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Balducci's first name is John? I thought it was Spike?


Give the girl a break. All Canadians kinda look the same to foreigners.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Socialism is more like Hell.
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All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

Carrie


But isn't everyone in Heaven equal and have all their needs such as housing taken care of by the State? Sounds pretty Socialist to me.


Where in the Bible did you read THAT?

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And is she not forgetting the largesse that is visited upon her from the public purse?

Would she like that to be the first national saving?


You people are never going to let go of that bone, are you? You'd rather flaunt my failures in my face than actually discuss ideas.

Carrie


What do you mean, "YOU people?"


I mean the people who bring up the same personal issues against me every time I write conservative ideas on this board.

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On 2010-12-10 18:04, MagicSanta wrote:
Balducci's first name is John? I thought it was Spike?


My mistake. Sorry.

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Exactly! As one who would essentially be categorized as a deist, I don't agree with much of what Carrie believes. However, I do object to "piling on" and to baiting. I may have missed it, but don't recall on this thread that the lady brought up religion first. "Turn the other cheek" is tough to put into practice, no?
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I mean, why is it so obvious to Carrie that Jesus is a Republican?


Did I say that? All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

Carrie


Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Mt. 19:20ff. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Ezek. 16:49ff. "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."

James 5:1-6. Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. ...Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and with you have withheld, cries out against you; and the outcry of the harvesters has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Luke 6:24. "But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full."

Prov. 14:31. He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.


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I would definately think the early church was socialist--it was cetainly communal.
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On 2010-12-10 17:34, Destiny wrote:
And is she not forgetting the largesse that is visited upon her from the public purse?

Would she like that to be the first national saving?


You people are never going to let go of that bone, are you? You'd rather flaunt my failures in my face than actually discuss ideas.

Carrie


What do you mean, "YOU people?"


I mean the people who bring up the same personal issues against me every time I write conservative ideas on this board.

Carrie


I was quoting something. Nevermind.
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From http://www.earlychurch.com/index.php a description of early Christians by a Roman critic:

"They despise the temples as houses of the dead. They reject the gods. They laugh at sacred things. Wretched, they pity our priests. Half-naked themselves, they despise honors and purple robes. What incredible audacity and foolishness! They are not afraid of present torments, but they fear those that are uncertain and future. While they do not fear to die for the present, they fear to die after death....

At least learn from your present situation, you wretched people, what actually awaits you after death. See, many of you-in fact, by your own admission, the majority of you-are in want, are cold, are hungry, and are laboring in hard work. Yet, your god allows it. He is either unwilling or unable to assist his people. So he is either weak or unjust.... Take notice! For you there are threats, punishments, tortures, and crosses.... Where is the god who is supposed to help you when you come back from the dead? He cannot even help you in this life! Do not the Romans, without any help from your god, govern, rule over, and have the enjoyment of the whole world, including dominion over you yourselves?

In the meantime, living in suspense and anxiety, you abstain from respectable pleasures. You do not attend sporting events. You have no interest in public amusements. You reject the public banquets, and abhor the sacred games.... Thus, wretched as you are, you will neither rise from the dead, nor enjoy life in the meanwhile. So, if you have any wisdom or sense, stop prying into the heavens and the destinies and secrets of the world.... Persons who are unable to understand civil matters are certainly unable to discuss divine ones."

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"When I first read the criticisms that the Romans leveled against the Christians, I painfully realized that no one would accuse Christians today of those same charges. We aren't criticized for being totally absorbed in the interests of a heavenly kingdom, ignoring the things the world has to offer. In fact, Christians today are accused of just the opposite. We are accused of being money hungry and hypocritical in our devotion to God."

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"At no other time in the history of Christianity did love so characterize the entire church as it did in the first three centuries. And Roman society took note. Tertullian reported that the Romans would exclaim, “See how they love one another!”

Justin Martyr sketched Christian love this way: “We who used to value the acquisition of wealth and possessions more than anything else now bring what we have into a common fund and share it with anyone who needs it. We used to hate and destroy one another and refused to associate with people of another race or country. Now, because of Christ, we live together with such people and pray for our enemies.”

Clement, describing the person who has come to know God, wrote, “He impoverishes himself out of love, so that he is certain he may never overlook a brother in need, especially if he knows he can bear poverty better than his brother. He likewise considers the pain of another as his own pain. And if he suffers any hardship because of having given out of his own poverty, he does not complain.”

When a devastating plague swept across the ancient world in the third century, Christians were the only ones who cared for the sick, which they did at the risk of contracting the plague themselves. Meanwhile, pagans were throwing infected members of their own families into the streets even before they died, in order to protect themselves from the disease."

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None of this sounds very Republican or Democratic to me. Sounds more like communism.
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On 2010-12-10 17:08, stoneunhinged wrote:
I mean, why is it so obvious to Carrie that Jesus is a Republican?


Did I say that? All I'm sure of is that God is not a socialist.

Carrie


Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Mt. 19:20ff. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Ezek. 16:49ff. "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."

James 5:1-6. Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. ...Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and with you have withheld, cries out against you; and the outcry of the harvesters has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Luke 6:24. "But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full."

Prov. 14:31. He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker, but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.


Ron


Did you look up these verses yourself? I hardly think so.

Do I have to explain the obvious to you?

It appears that I do.

The Scriptures are talking here about ethics, about what believers in God ought to do, voluntarily. The Bible does not recommend that government put its hand into someone's pocket, take out what that person has earned, and give it to someone else.

http://www.tommynewberry.com/index.php/blog/?p=478

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I would definately think the early church was socialist--it was cetainly communal.


Communal, yes. Humanitarian, yes. Socialist, definitely not.

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I would definately think the early church was socialist--it was cetainly communal.


Communal, yes. Humanitarian, yes. Socialist, definitely not.

The link above from Tommy Newberry really explains it all.

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Don't socialist and communal mean pretty much the same thing?
Society... community... A bunch of folks working together for "The greater good."
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