|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3 [Next] | ||||||||||
mightydog Regular user Michigan now living in the Florida panha 156 Posts |
I think future tech will be used to create effects. If they ever get Holography perfected so you can hide the projector. think of the effects and illusions you could create!! can think of several right now that would be mind blowing!!
Mightydog David
Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
Raphael Benatar mightydog David |
|||||||||
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Once people are familiar with projected holography, they will probably dismiss most stage illusions as "holographic."
Ever since it was installed in Disneyland, people have been thinking the Pepper's Ghost illusion was done with "holographs." Even before people had even seen a holographic image of any kind, much less 3D. |
|||||||||
Stellan Special user Sweden 580 Posts |
Latest rumours says that scientists now are working with ways of creating a 3D hologram of your face based on your DNA. The main market is the police who can create images of criminals based on DNA from crime scenes. If it can be done instantly there would be a market för the alert magician.
Then you can turn your head away while someone is spitting on a card. If the card is forced you know who did it!
"There is no reality, only perception."
|
|||||||||
Stellan Special user Sweden 580 Posts |
Of course they wouldn't give a ****.
"There is no reality, only perception."
|
|||||||||
Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
I would give a spit.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
A BLENDED PATH Christian Reflections on Tarot Word Crimes Technology and Faith........Bad Religion |
|||||||||
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Magic is indestructible.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
|||||||||
Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
Then something will always be impossible to mere nonmagical technology.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
A BLENDED PATH Christian Reflections on Tarot Word Crimes Technology and Faith........Bad Religion |
|||||||||
mightydog Regular user Michigan now living in the Florida panha 156 Posts |
Quote:
On 2011-01-15 00:57, Whit Haydn wrote: People will dismiss Magic as a trick of some kind. but they still go for the entertainment. They really don't care how it is done. Only that it is done well. mightydog David
Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
Raphael Benatar mightydog David |
|||||||||
jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts |
Oh my!
Pop, did you start a Hip Hop group called Dilemma?
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz |
|||||||||
jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts |
Dawg, it should be Da Lemma.
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz |
|||||||||
mightydog Regular user Michigan now living in the Florida panha 156 Posts |
Quote:
On 2011-01-15 11:58, tommy wrote: on this I would agree. methods as long as they work will take a back seat to presentation any day. mightydog David
Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
Raphael Benatar mightydog David |
|||||||||
Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
There are indeed times when the presentation is more important than the method in creating the magical effect. The presentation will give clarity of effect, will give dramitic build to focus on the effect, will provide attention control that erases the method and intesifies the effect.
[...without forgetting that in magic, effect is king. As a distinctive art form, magic presents real-space, real-time evidence of the impossible (the magic effect). Maskelyn, Vernon, Ortiz, Haydn, and other masters of the art of magic have noted that the entertainment (amusement) arise out of and serve the magic effect, more specifically, the "no way!" experience of the dilemma.] Consider this issue at play when performing the old effect "Everything's a Radio," an effect that can fall into the situation that has been described by the "Too Perfect Theory." If you draw a radio on a piece of paper and press the power button and sound comes out, there may be a tendency of even children to eventually ask, "Okay, where is the radio?" This issue can be helped by changing the presentation, maybe by using a an actual antenna to strengthen the illusion of reality. In this case introducing "technology" is a presentational device. Methodology, being completely hidden, is a different issue, as noted. It could be done using an old transitor radio or new micro-technology with pre-recorded static and the sounds of tuning into a radio station.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
A BLENDED PATH Christian Reflections on Tarot Word Crimes Technology and Faith........Bad Religion |
|||||||||
mightydog Regular user Michigan now living in the Florida panha 156 Posts |
Most magicians at least those wanting to be good take pains that the methods are not seen when performing an effect. Presentation is what you do and what you want your audience to see. Method is hidden and something you do NOT want your audience to see or discover.
mightydog David
Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
Raphael Benatar mightydog David |
|||||||||
Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
Technology as part of the EFFECT would be something like using a real antenna for "Everything's a Radio": something magic is happening with the technology itself.
Technology as part of the PRESENTATION would be something like "The Teleportation Device": the effect (bill in lemon/bill in egg) is dressed up as magical technology. Technology as part of METHOD would be using state-of-the art computers to duplicate the borrowed bill back stage.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
A BLENDED PATH Christian Reflections on Tarot Word Crimes Technology and Faith........Bad Religion |
|||||||||
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Bravo Alan!
...to all the coins I've dropped here
|
|||||||||
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Excellent, Alan!
There may be a ghost calling on the telephone...or a demon trapped in a machine like a truck or printing press... Steven King has had several great stories that could lend themselves to this sort of thing. Flubber! That would be a good example of a presentation of technology as magic. The radio/receiver device used by a telepathy act is an example of technology as method. |
|||||||||
mightydog Regular user Michigan now living in the Florida panha 156 Posts |
Consider the movie "Ghosstbusters" They used technology to first weaken the ghost and trap it in a small container. Perhaps a recreation of the effect or something entirely different.
mightydog David
Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
Raphael Benatar mightydog David |
|||||||||
Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
Most of the basic methods that were employed many, many years ago are still being used today. The old methods that are no longer being used have been replaced by better methods, most of the time having nothing to do with technology.
Wes
|
|||||||||
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It seems to me; The Teleprompter is eliminated as the cause of effect by telling the audience its fake. If we look at Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin and his use of ether which was not eliminated as the cause of the levitation that quite a different. The first is magic the latter is not. There is no physical explanation for the cause of the effect in Teleprompter transition but there is in Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin levitation. The latter is akin to a science demo but fake. A cool idea but somewhat charlatan.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
|||||||||
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
I believe in the Teleportation Device. In no way is it fake. How dare you, Tommy! I am ready to provide a demonstration of its capabilities whenever and wherever you choose.
Perhaps you think that as a person from the Nineteenth Century I am too backwards scientifically and that I couldn't possibly have invented such a device. This is insulting! I don't think the Robert-Houdin was charlatan. He used the ether as we would use a magic word. The intelligent people in the audience KNEW that the ether was not the cause, but it helped them let down their barriers to belief and made the association between the floating feeling of breathing ether (which many in his audience would have done) and the actual floating of a body. It built up the theatrical conviction side of the Dilemma--"The Boy is really Floating!". The "magic" side of the dilemma is bolstered both by theater (acting, setting, costume, makeup, etc.) as well as by the intellectual proofs. This shifts the audience's arguments away from "how" the boy floated to whether or not the ether had anything to do with it. "He used ether to make the boy float!" "Ridiculous! I have used ether with my patients and it has no such effect! Scientifically preposterous! He must be using huge magnets..." |
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Food for thought » » The future of magic and technology (0 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3 [Next] |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.06 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |