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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
Or a hurricane is coming or I am off doing charity work in Borneo for the next four months and don't want my windows smashed or the possession of the house is currently under debate (Such as in a divorce) so nobody go inside until it is figured out please.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Glenn actually you did not answer the question. The post that asked the question, all you did was posted a link giving an explanation of what abandonment was etc... You avoided answering a question on your own that was asked in your style of thinking.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Regardless of if a home or former business is left for dead by it's owner. It's still owned buy the person. It does not give anyone the right to go in and make it there own without permission. It doesn't matter if the person is homeless or is using the place to make meth. It's wrong, illegal so get over it.
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Randy Loyal user Rochester, NY 261 Posts |
Regarding the "What Would You Do?" TV show. You do realize that they taped 1000 people passing that guy in the street and only showed you the ones that told the story they wanted you to see. Don't you?
The Buffalo Get-Together - A Close-Up Magic Convention
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 15:02, Randy wrote: I'm not sure if you're asking me or gdw but if me, yes. Absolutely. It's manipulated for entertainment which equals profit. I wasn't trying to emphasize the people walking by the man. I was just commenting on the woman who didn't have a cell phone but still stopped to help. I thought she was inspiring. Not exactly sure what you're getting at by your comment. Feel free to let me know... All the Best, Andrew |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 14:47, RS1963 wrote: Fine, you want my own words? You should be able to look into a property to determine if there is any active owner. I've said several times here that people are likely right on the burglary aspect, and I've also said that was NOT the issue of contention. The police officers entire interest was "to determine if Kevie had obtained a liquor license." The main interest was making sure the guy had begged for the governments permission to sell booze which was my point all along. I've said the guy didn't exactly go about things the best way with the abandoned property. Hell, even if actually had no owner at the time, which I do not know if it did or did not, it still would not have been not the best way to do things. But since you want to focus on the property ownership, let's get back to that. Keep in mind we've already covered the particular case in question, so what did or did not happen with the case we've been discussing is irrelevant, so don't try to dismiss/refute what I say here by returning to the Kevie. If you have a property that "appears" to be abandoned, I don't think alone is enough to justify claiming new ownership. There's no reason one can't simply look into who owns, or previously owned the property. This would be an easy way to establish whether or not it was actually abandoned, or temporarily unoccupied. If it IS established that a property was abandoned, then why shouldn't it be fair game? If there is something already established for who would get to claim the property next, then, so be it. If one can't find or determine ownership, and they want to take the risk, then what ever. I'd say it's up to the owner to point out the issue, and ask them to leave. If they don't, then no reason the owner can't pursue things. If they can show they own the property, it would be easy to hold the guy accountable for any damage he's done, or property he's used.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ho......1n4MuToJ
"The Cleveland Cavaliers just offered me a full-time job and a house! A house! A house!," repeated a stunned Williams, 53, on local radio station WNCI. A caller to the show who said she represented the Cavs offered Williams, who shot to stardom after local newspaper the Columbus Dispatch on Monday posted video of his perfectly-pitched panhandling, a full-time job doing voiceover work for the team and parent company and a free home in Cleveland. The Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, native trained to be a radio announcer before drugs and alcohol ruined his chances at a career, and he was reduced to begging on the side of a road in Columbus, Ohio, before the newspaper found him. Local police would refer to Williams as "Radio man," when chasing him from his usual begging spots, Williams said. "I've been out there about a year; I just didn't know anything like this would ever happen," an overwhelmed Williams said earlier in the show. "There's so many words. I've already been characterized to [Scottish singing sensation] Susan Boyle ... I'm just so happy." Before the Cavs made their bid, the station said a group of credit unions offered Williams a contract worth up to $10,000; a caller claiming to rep MTV expressed interest in having him guest-announce a show; and callers who said they were the voiceover actors behind plugs for "The Simpsons" and "Entertainment Tonight" said they wanted him to compete on their upcoming "America's Next Voice" -- where the prize includes a home studio. For a man suddenly thrust from an Ohio roadside into the hearts of the world, Williams set his sights low. "Just to get back to some normalcy and responsibility -- If I can a job, whether it's a twenty-five or even $18,000, I'd be happy," he said. "At least I know God has me where he wants me."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 12:38, gdw wrote: Excellent. And like the guy in the story, I get to decide whether you've abandoned it or not. And I say, it's mine. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 12:38, gdw wrote: Because it's yours. That's the long and short of it. Spend a lot of time squatting in abandoned buildings do we? I went on vacation once and when I came back a homeless gent seemed to have thought I'd abandoned my house. I discovered a sleeping bag and a turd on my front porch. It's my house! I don't care if I'm home or not, don't crap on my frickin' porch! You don't know what I'm planning to do with the property. Maybe I'm waiting to find another leasee/renter. Or, in this case, maybe I'm just on an extended vacation! Holy Hamburglar. *Edit* Oh, hi John.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 16:50, critter wrote: Um, I agree with you. I've said as much. Clearly, in everything you've described, you did NOT abandon your home. I did NOT say if it merely LOOKS like I abandoned my house. If someone squats in your property, then you should have every right to kick them out, and they should be held responsible for anything they did to your property. I thought I was rather clear on this just a few posts above.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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If someone squats in your property, then you should have every right to kick them out, and they should be held responsible for anything they did to your property. I thought you objected to governments, laws, courts and all that. How are you planning on establishing ownership and kicking them out? John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Glenn your missing the point of all this. Even if the house business whatever is abandoned. If if the previous owner died and there are no known survivors. The ownership is then going to be held by the city or the courts. It isn't going to be just up for grabs for the taking. You can't just walk into an abandoned building and claim it. Or legally use it for your own home.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 13:56, gsidhe wrote: You can't??
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 18:24, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Private_Production_of_Justice
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 18:26, RS1963 wrote: I thought, as you repeatedly asked, you were looking for what MY views on it would be. Such would be coming from the perspective of a stateless society. If we are trying to discuss the ethicacy of such things, then what is, or isn't written in law is irrelevant.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 19:16, gdw wrote: So if I don't give a crap about my reputation, I'm free to move into your house and call it my own? Sweet! John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 14:04, gdw wrote: ...but I still own this property and don't want someone coming in.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
Wow. I just saw a commercial for Good Morning America(tomorrow morning) and Ted is already EXTREMELY clean shaven and well dressed. That was extremely quick.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-01-05 20:19, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think you are well aware it would be more than your reputation. If you don't care about being able to buy anything, and want to risk you life an limb stealing anything you may ever need, then go right ahead.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
You're joking, right? You really think people would not take my money? Of, of course, where would I get money? There would be no government to make money, so I'd have to rely on private enterprise to create money that I would somehow acquire. Oh, I know, I would sell your house and get lots of this "money" and then skip town to spend it. 'Cause my reputation couldn't follow me.
Of course, why would anyone buy a house anyways, since this could happen any day. Man you were a sucker to have a house in the first place. But since your house has no value, you really won't mind when I take it. When the dizziness goes away, I think I'm going to like this world. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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