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volto Special user 603 Posts |
Does anyone have pointers to routines where the plot is - produce four balls, then all four vanish?
In terms of routines, I've looked at Mark Wilson's, all of the material on Levent's DVDs, Alan Wakeling's routine, Tarbell, Hay, and the entire Sphinx magazine. The method I have at the moment involves a wand and several into-pocket-out-of-pocket moves. This means performing the same sleight three times, which is why I'm looking for alternatives. Part of the difficulty is that I'm currently vanishing them from the traditional four-ball display, which means I only have one hand free. Any pointers gratefully received...! |
bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
Jan Crosby had a great ball routine with no shells and vanished balls one by one while doing some ball rolls with both hands. Construction of that routine and his misdirection was very good. Later on he did another ball routine in his act and changed 4 balls to a cane (dove to cane idea).
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Norbert Ferré from France did something like this in his winning FISM act. After the production of the four balls he made them vanish one by one. The last one disappeared in cloud of confetti.
Oliver. |
JamesinLA Inner circle Los Angeles 3400 Posts |
Ganson, man. Routined manipulation has three ball routines. combine the first and second to produce and then vanish 4 balls. The third routine is 8 balls with color changes.
Levent's got a routine from Paul Potassy I think that produces and then vanishes 8 balls. You could probably reduce that to 4 balls. Good luck. What type of balls are you using? Jim
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Cover the balls with a Devil's Hankerchief and chang them to a streamer.
Drop then in a hot or box and change them to a giant ball. A magician once dropped his BB into a hat from seveal feet, at the end, he showed the hat empty. It was a real puzzler! The hat sat on a bench seat. He also did a very nice Dancing Cane routine at an Abbott's Get-Together convention. |
Tony Thomas Inner circle North Carolina 1248 Posts |
The wand and out of pocket moves can work and you don't have to repeat the same slights. There are many wand vanishes that you can borrow from the cups and balls world. For instance the strike vanish, the wand through hand vanish, the mora wand spin vanish, etc. If you are vanishing them one at a time, as you reach for the next ball, you ditch the prior. This will allow you can achieve your objective.
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volto Special user 603 Posts |
Wow - thanks guys - a lot of stuff I haven't seen in there. I'll definitely follow up on Crosby, Ferre, Ganson and Potassy.
Tony - that's exactly where I was coming from - three different vanish moves. I'd like them to look different in a theatrical sense; the vanish phase in Ammar's cups routine works that way. The difficulty is, I can't seem to figure a way to do, say, a strike vanish with billiard balls in the 'display' in one hand. I'm already doing the wand spin as the finale. One possibility is just to use a candelabra as a ball holder and do the 'vanilla' moves. I'd like to be able to do the routine out of my pockets though. wmhegbli - that kind of 'flash' finish sounds appealing; I might try a few hat moves out. I guess it kind of becomes cups and balls without the cups, with the final load in the hat. Jim - man, don't get me started on the choice of balls. I've tried with real billiards (snooker balls). 1 3/4". They work fine but they're heavy, and obviously there's no gimmick. I've been using the Collector's workshop deluxe balls lately; they're wood, with a nice clingy finish and they make the right noises. I'm not using silicone, or I'd use Fakinis. There's a few reasons - the noise helps to sell the balls as solid, and I can use a Downs dropper. On the other hand, Fakinis don't talk if you're ditching several of them in the same place, and there's less chance of talking in general. On balance, I prefer the CW ones. |
volto Special user 603 Posts |
Jim - thanks for the Ganson tip; I've just taken a quick peek at the routines you mention and they sound ideal.
I think with the combination of these moves, the wand and the silk, there's enough variation and 'flash'. Now back to practice... |
Stucky Inner circle I'm Batman! 1355 Posts |
Always change up the methods. Gives you a chance to stretch your skills, mind, and props. It also prevents the audience getting bored from repetition.
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volto Special user 603 Posts |
So many billiard ball routines involve juggling, or the cardini finger levitation thing, the ball roll, or gratuitous handwashing... there's no magic in that. Sometimes the magic is so quick that people don't take it in, which is even worse than non-magical displays of skill. I like the simple plot - four balls appear, three disappear. We try to put the last one away, but it's stubborn. So we change it into a little red apple and eat it (or something).
The majority of routines I've seen have some non-magical feature. I don't even really like the four-ball display (it's too obviously skillful), but it's convenient for the audience I guess. I'll post the phases of the finished routine once I've got it practiced and rehearsed. |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
You may want to take a look at Frank Garcia's booklet on Billiard Balls. There some different transformations in it.
http://www.magicinc.net/garciasbilliardballs.aspx |
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