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Elton Litzner
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Hello friends & colleagues

Working on putting together a darkly romantic routine (spiked with some black humor) It's an opening sequence for a dark cabaret style show. I'm wanting it to be beautiful and monsterous. Sort of a Bram Stoker sort of appeal. I'm looking to do manipulation work with canes, candels, knives, roses, snowstorm, wine glass/bottle, blood.

I'm relativly new to manipulation, and am looking for suggestions/direction. Any input would be helpful. Awaiting your reply.
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You've got a good start, thinking about the mood you want to set and the character you want to portray. Next, I'd start listening to music--a LOT of music--and costume.

When you've found some music you think will work, sit and listen to it. As you listen, imagine what you might do to that music. Listen for beats, tempo changes, etc that suggest what could be happening at that point. Start working with the props. Develop sequences and start linking the sequences in various ways to see how they fit with the music.

Repeat.

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Jeffrey
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Elton Litzner
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Thank you very much for the advice. I do have some music in mind,

I'm wondering about possible effects. I have not done much with flowers for instance. I would like to produce a rose and split it. Possibly a color change, I'd like to end up with a red and white rose. The white would be used for a Bleeding Rose effect with the blood dripping into a wine glass. The red would end up as a red snowstorm. (I understand there is a candle to fan effect on the market that might be pretty for this) The remaining stem would be dipped into a wine glass and the flower top will be back on it. (There can be two glasses if need be)

I'm not sure yet of the handeling or mechanics for this. Any suggestions on dvd's or books to look at for working with flowers?

I also am not sure what flowers would be best for acheiving this sort of effect? Any suggestions would be great?
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This is your job to find effects that fit your idea. There are hundreds of web stores on the Internet. Spend some time in them and you may find something that interests you, then come back and ask in the new products page if it will fit your needs.

There are some rose effects on the market, but nothing really very good, and nothing published or on video. This is part of being a magician, taking an idea into reality. It is called trial and error, it may take months years to get your idea built.

You ask for effects, but actually, you have told the effects you want to create. Nothing like you discribed is on the market. Some magicians do do effects like you discribe, but that is their property and they have worked out their own methods to accomplish them.

I can only suggest you study the methods and then this may help you create your ideas. Such DVD as Jeff McBrides manipulation without tears will show you how to make body steals. Duane Laflin's DVD on steals will help you understand steals from tables. Once you understand the principles you may then create your effects.

The best flowers are the ones you find or make yourself. Go to any hobby store they have thousands of fake flowers to chose from, today fake flowers look very real.

I have a flower from several years ago that does a color change, if you wish to purchase it PM me, I will give you a fantastic price. It may give you some ideas on which route you wish to take.
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Rocco Silano has put out some DVDs of his magic.

You may want to view this:

Rocco's Appearing Rose, not instructions included:
http://legendarymagictricks.com/roccos-r......151.html

Again, you may or may not like Rocco's version, it is a personal choice. I do believe that is all that is available currently.
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Jeffrey Korst
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As Bill said, you've got effects in mind. Now, you're looking for methods. Get yourself some flowers--try Michaels or other craft stores--and start playing around with them. Find ways to 'palm' them, experiment with magnets, or elastics (to hold flowers on stems), flowers that are half one color, half another, and read everything you can find. Don't look at just flower magic, go through Tarbell, Greater Magic, anything you can find looking for inspiration.

Find ideas that can be adapted to the effects you want to create.

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Get a rough idea and the props you need/want. Then go find a good director that can help you structure the routine into a story and not just a mishmash of magical effects. Message me if you want some links.
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Here's an idea that I have used in the past that produced some excellent results. Go to the local community college or university and talk with the drama department head. Ask to set-up with any students, who would be willing to participate in a ninety-day project (read internship here or semester project) to help you brainstorm the production. They not only would provide ideas (especially with the youth of today leaning toward the darker side of things) for effects but they can do more with lighting and blocking that most magicians will ever know about. You, in return, would provide a graded evaluation for their semester's work. Hey they would get an out-of-the-box semester and you would reap the benefits. Also, some of the "tech" students know some theatrical technology that would make Jeff McBride jealous. Best of luck!

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You say:
--I'm relativly new to manipulation.
--I have not done much with flowers for instance.
--I'm not sure yet of the handeling or mechanics for this.

Yes. This sounds promising as a show.
You've mentioned a few times you've not worked much with this or that.
That concerns me.

I hope you're thinking of putting this together to perform way down the line,
--I'd say a year or two.
Before you put together, premise, plot, music, effects, look, etc.
You need to have totally mastered each skill set and technique of each individual piece.

Become really competent and talented at the manipulation and deceptiveness of the effects.
Then and only then can you successfully implement your strong theatrical ideas.

This is not to bash, but rather remind not to put the cart before the horse.

Magically,
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I know Elliott a bit from having worked with him on the "Magical Tsar' act for a mutual friend. I know Elliott will be fully prepared to perfrom when the ocasion arises. He's a wonderfully creative guy who understands the THEATRE of magic so well.
Best of luck Elliott!

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On 2011-05-07 02:00, ancientmagic wrote:
Here's an idea that I have used in the past that produced some excellent results. Go to the local community college or university and talk with the drama department head. Ask to set-up with any students, who would be willing to participate in a ninety-day project (read internship here or semester project) to help you brainstorm the production. They not only would provide ideas (especially with the youth of today leaning toward the darker side of things) for effects but they can do more with lighting and blocking that most magicians will ever know about. You, in return, would provide a graded evaluation for their semester's work. Hey they would get an out-of-the-box semester and you would reap the benefits. Also, some of the "tech" students know some theatrical technology that would make Jeff McBride jealous. Best of luck!

--John


Good idea. I can see how this mindset could also work in other departments for building of props maybe.
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Elton, how have you with this? Have you put together a working routine?
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