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Nick Sand
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There are those in this community which use ethics for there own personal gain.
I am currently experiencing this. Some one is accusing me of stealing there idea.
I swear on my beloved sisters soul I have not. I did the best research I could to make sure I was not hurting a fellow creator. This person wants hush money. It will not be given. I developed this on my own and those who inspired me where brought into the project. If I am black balled so be it. I will not give money or credit to someone who did not inspire or help my work. I am starting my own company and I will not be black balled and controlled by unethical people who hide behind ethics for there own personal gain.

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Hang in there Nick. I believe you and also I think the person is either lying to you or you both came up with the idea at the same time. It can happen that you both were working on the same effect without the other knowing about it. I have created things and then found out that it was already created previously. I have a feeling he might be pulling your chain though. Good luck and keep going forward with your plans. You and you alone know the truth behind this.
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Hang in there Nick. I believe you and also I think the person is either lying to you or you both came up with the idea at the same time. It can happen that you both were working on the same effect without the other knowing about it. I have created things and then found out that it was already created previously. I have a feeling he might be pulling your chain though. Good luck and keep going forward with your plans. You and you alone know the truth behind this.
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Thank you for your support, I will defend my self to my dying breath.
I could have gone with the flow and went with the pay off, but I am the one who has to live with my self everyday.

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You did exactly what I would do.....
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I not only would have my morals been comprised, but those who truly inspired me would have been hurt by the decision to go along with a hush money pay off.
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Interesting story. The person asking for "hush money" is the one who may have ethical issues.

Not so many folks make significant discoveries or additions to the craft beyond what they do in performance or tailoring tricks to serve their own character. The current generation of folks naming stuff or wanting "credit" for things that hardly warrant a paragraph in a magic journal will find their place as a serious vetting goes on in magic.

For you, Nick, just please do what works for you and if you've got something of your own to bring to the magic market that you feel will be of use to others - best wishes to both you and your project.

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On 2011-01-27 19:09, Nick Sand wrote:
There are those in this community which use ethics for there own personal gain.


It's pretty much the norm around here. Ethics are supposed to be a consensus, not something pushed as a means to try and manipulate others for one's selfish gain.

There is one specific person I know of in the community who has made it his job to harrass and threaten other members of the community. I wonder if it's the same person?
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I would have to know each side of the story, and not one side with name calling to make a decision. It is only fair.
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On 2011-01-31 17:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
I would have to know each side of the story, and not one side with name calling to make a decision. It is only fair.


First Off I never named called or mentioned names.
Second off I will never give credit to someone who did not inspire my creation, for the sake of magic politics in disguise of ethics.


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First off to answer your second point you said you "will not be black balled and controlled by unethical people who hide behind ethics for there own personal gain." THIS is name calling. Heck in the point you make after you say you don't name call you say "for the sake of magic politics in disguise of ethics", IS NAME CALLING.

Second of all to answer your first point, I never asked you for names.

Obviously you are quite emotional about this situation. I get that. All I am saying is that there are 2 sides to every story, and then the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I wish you the best in all your endevours, as if you have indeed created something original and unique you deserve to be able to bring it to the world, and so does the world.
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I've never been one to buy the "truth is in the middle" bit. It is what it is.
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Of course it is what it is, but when you get one story, even if they try their best to make it truth, it is skewed.
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On 2011-02-01 09:33, Dannydoyle wrote:
All I am saying is that there are 2 sides to every story, and then the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

I can live with that quote, but would add that many times one side is telling 90% truth and the other side is telling 90% lies.

Nick, You can't control what others think, but you can be at peace with you own thoughts.
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It seems to me, the best thing to do is to name the guy that claims he was first, let him have his say, you state your side of things and let the magic community decide what they think. Waiting for him to go public is probably not a good thing. He has made the accusation. Make the charge public and make him back it up.
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I agree with whit. The only way these issues are ever solved is when they are made public.

Now, if this guy already had the idea in print, then it doesn't matter if he inspired you or not. He gets the credit. If it's more complicated than that, then you will be best served by going public.
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Yea that is sort of my point. One side of any story will be incomplete. Maybe this other guy has a genuine point that the op does not see.
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It's been my experience that when someone feels their are legitimately wronged, they usually come forward with as many details as possible - they don't hide behind allusions and vague accusations. There is nothing to be gained from that, unless it is your goal to obscure part of the story.
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I would absolutely call the person out publicly if I felt that they had wronged me and they wanted to gain from it financially. No reason to not tell us who it is. Otherwise it might as well be a fictional story. I'm not saying it is, but so far we only have a fairly foggy picture of what's going on, so it makes it impossible to make any fair judgments. What's the history of how you developed this? What inspired its creation and how long have you been working on it? Have other people seen it as it progressed? If you had to defend yourself in court, what evidence would you present to back up your claims? What witnesses would you have to support you?

We don't know enough to really help, so it's hard to chime in and say "you're right and he's wrong" because we don't really know that. Give us some more information and call the other person out.
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On 2011-02-01 14:49, HerbLarry wrote:
I've never been one to buy the "truth is in the middle" bit. It is what it is.


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