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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
There are lots of ways you can handle the "What am I thinking?" challenge.
These are for dealing with the ***ho!e who bothers you after your show: "Good grief. So if you went to a Tony Bennett concert you'd try to sneak backstage afterward and ask him to sing another song just for you?" "You think I have something to prove and that I care about your opinion. Wrong on both counts" "I would but you don't think. You only think you think." "You think your challenge is clever and will prove I can't really read minds. Wrong on both counts." "Waitasecond." (hand to temple for a moment) "Sorry, you don't seem to have enough material for me to work with." "I could, but you would just lie and say I was wrong to make me look bad. That's just the way you are." "Your question is based on the false premise that you can think." "I can't pick up any of your conscious thoughts but I know that subconsciously you have a deep craving for attention and you're plagued by thoughts of your sexual inadequacy." Hmmm. Maybe I should have come up with some more and put them in an ebook. I could be the Bob Orben of the 21st Century.
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
Many people have answered the "what am I thinking" dilemma in print. One of the most powerful mind reading pieces I do, requires the preparation of a week. I state this openly. An event coordinator brings a photo. Though I never touch or see it, I reveal (nearly) everything about this person. There is no way this is humanly possible (and it is very hard to take lightly). They hear the truth when you explain that the "entire process" is extremely important. It is
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magic maniac Special user 516 Posts |
Hi Bob
You make some great points too, especially fooling critics. I read a few reviews for a Broadway show the performer I was speaking of earlier had, and they pointed out that a few of his demonstrations were outside of his claimed abilities, but they also stated the audience and themselves loved the show. Would have the critics and audience loved it more if he stayed within the confines of his abilities...I don't know? My guess is probably not because they would've missed out on his blindfold and Q&A act, the highlight of the show judging the audiences reaction. Should have he claimed psychic abilities over his body reading skills? Well then I feel we would've missed out on him building credibility through some amazing routines. It's sort of a catch 22. Regarding the 'Magicians Guilt', I may have mislabeled the reason why some performers feel the need to be consistent. When putting my first show together, I decided to go with the NLP/Body Language as my claim to fame. When routining, I struggled to put effects together in a manner that would be consistent to my abilities, sort of like forcing puzzle pieces together. I thought about doing effects that didn't fit my character, but when visualizing myself performing the routine, I felt guilty about breaking character. That's more or less what I was referring to when I mentioned 'magicians guilt'. I be curious to know if anybody else felt this way ?? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
There is no question that many successful performers have made compromises when it comes to the issue of consistency. I am pretty sure I know the performer you are talking about and, if I'm right, he's a good friend of mine and we have had discussions about it. Sometimes art is compromised for the sake of commercial considerations and other times just because the performer has decided that the risk is worth it. (Such as when a performer is implicitly claiming that what he does is really a "mind game.")
My only point is that all performers should always put a great deal of thought into their presentational premises. Good thoughts, Bob |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
"ART SURPISES YOU WHEN YOU DON'T EXSPECT IT"
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magic maniac Special user 516 Posts |
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On 2011-02-04 00:36, mastermindreader wrote: Well I can't argue with that. |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Actually a real mind reader would be quite boring:
Blue 42 and yes, you should leave him. NEXT! All the theatrics that have to be there for us to do our act, is the act. We often know the answer before we start or at least near the beginning, so the rest is just showbiz.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
Actually a real god would be quite boring.
Oh you want a new creature, half squid and half horse? Done. Oh, you want a typhoon, tornado, and plague to all destroy a town at once? Easy. What makes you think really being able to read minds would be so easy? Perhaps it would be quite difficult, perhaps you could only do it when in a sensory deprivation chamber. I'm curious how you are so confident about what process a real mind reader would use?
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Pssssssssssssssst! Real mind readers don't exist!
You can therefore pretend they are like anything you want to! :rolleyes:
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 20:57, Shrubsole wrote: Right...and you say that you would pretend that they are...boring? Speaks highly of your imagination, no? I'm curious why you've decided whatever persona you display isn't boring? Maybe its just me, but I don't quite understand your logic. Things that are less fantastical are less boring? I think most people would go the other route, but maybe people really prefer everyday things as more exciting than things they'd be less likely to encounter. It sounds like you present yourself in the Derren mold, since basically everything you mentioned that you would want to do are things Derren has done. You mentioned how you'd want to expose fake psychics. The funny thing is I know a ton of Derren clones who went out and wasted a ton of money on NLP courses believing that was truly how he accomplished his feats. It's still a lie. Do you feel that it is more ethical? Please help me understand your line of reasoning in this and the other thread. Or is it really that ethics don't really matter, you just want to be "kewl." Your logic astounds me.
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Oh dear oh dear oh dear...
Of course all the things I listed on the other thread were not things like Derren did, they were totally things that Derren had done! It was a joke! "and you say that you would pretend that they are...boring?" ??? They don't exist so I wouldn't be doing anything with them as it's impossible. You've totally lost me now. How do you pretend that something is boring? And an imaginary thing as well? I'm obviously not smoking the right substance here.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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dennfox Inner circle 1680 Posts |
One mentalist's young daugther said if we truly had ESP then we would know what color underwear someone was wearing--sounds like a great effect.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Den
Believe it or not, it is published |
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dennfox Inner circle 1680 Posts |
I know that! I believe it was James Bliss?
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