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On 2011-03-18 17:44, paw wrote:
Hey Guys,
Patrick here, from Murphy’s Magic Supplies.
I have looked at the instructions for the Perfect Bending nail by Katto and they are (were) definitely lacking instruction. The instructions have been rewritten. They will be available from the dealer you purchased your PNB from.

Also, I have read a few negative reviews on the product. I have tested many of the PNB and have had no problems. I might recommend using “dust off” to get the nails cold if for some reason the ice water is not working for you.

Perfect Nail Bend is a fantastic effect! The product itself is made very well and the price is very low compared to other memory metals. The only criticism I have is that the instructions were not well done. We now have new instructions as well as a very short video instruction coming. There is no performance with this effect. However, I don’t feel that is necessarily a bad thing. I see so many magic enthusiasts performing an effect exactly how it was performed on the DVD they purchased. With Perfect Nail Bend you receive the “tools” to perform a miracle and presentation is left up to you. Just like in the old days. LOL

Please keep in mind; if a spectator puts enough force behind it they CAN bend the nail. They can also bend a fork, spoon, knife, or ANY other metal item magicians and mentalists have been using to boast their powers for years. You are bending this solid piece of metal in the spectator’s hands with your mind. That in itself is a miracle…

I hope this helps!
Patrick


Patrick-

Thanks for the response but honestly you sound like a Salmon swimming against the river. If Nardi pulled it you guys may want to take a closer look - reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff.
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On 2011-03-18 17:44, paw wrote:
Hey Guys,
Patrick here, from Murphy’s Magic Supplies.
I have looked at the instructions for the Perfect Bending nail by Katto and they are (were) definitely lacking instruction. The instructions have been rewritten. They will be available from the dealer you purchased your PNB from.

Also, I have read a few negative reviews on the product. I have tested many of the PNB and have had no problems. I might recommend using “dust off” to get the nails cold if for some reason the ice water is not working for you.

Perfect Nail Bend is a fantastic effect! The product itself is made very well and the price is very low compared to other memory metals. The only criticism I have is that the instructions were not well done. We now have new instructions as well as a very short video instruction coming. There is no performance with this effect. However, I don’t feel that is necessarily a bad thing. I see so many magic enthusiasts performing an effect exactly how it was performed on the DVD they purchased. With Perfect Nail Bend you receive the “tools” to perform a miracle and presentation is left up to you. Just like in the old days. LOL

Please keep in mind; if a spectator puts enough force behind it they CAN bend the nail. They can also bend a fork, spoon, knife, or ANY other metal item magicians and mentalists have been using to boast their powers for years. You are bending this solid piece of metal in the spectator’s hands with your mind. That in itself is a miracle…

I hope this helps!
Patrick


Patrick-

Thanks for the response but honestly you sound like a Salmon swimming against the river. If Nardi pulled it you guys may want to take a closer look - reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff.


Hi Guys,
I have to say right up front that our initial reaction on receiving this product into stock was not great.

However, we set a couple of DEM units up for the shop and we have all been playing with this for the last 6 days. It works very well and customers who have had it demonstrated to them in the shop have been very impressed with the wow factor of the effect. Either straight nail bending in their own hands or similarly a bent nail which straightens in their own hands.

You get two M****y Me**l gimmicks which are well made and a set of almost useless instructions which caused confusion to our customers who recieved pre-orders for the product. However we immediately brought this problem up with the producers via MMS who have now produced proper instructions for the effect. In addition, we have filmed a short companion DVD to go along with the product if you have had it fom our shop. Next week, we will be sending the new instructions and DVD to all customers who purchased from our shop or websites.

It is also reviewed up close and personal on next weeks Wizard Product Review which was filmed yesterday. If you haven't already got this and are sitting on the fence or even off the other side, please watch next week's show where you will see it performed and have it reviewed by Dave and Craig.

My own opinion of the product is that you get two value for money gimmicks plus a couple of extras to carry them in the right conditions. It could be a great item to mix in with your metal bending routines with coins, forks etc. On wednesday I had my gimmicks set up for over 45 minutes in my jacket pocket and they caused a wow in the bar where I used them with two different specs. I believe that if the producers had thought through the initial product launch, we would not be having these discussions here on the Café.

Please don't kill a product guys just because the instructions are pants. Just because one dealer takes a product off the shelf it doesn't make it a bad product.

That is my 10 cents worth. Have a great weekend
Jim
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Hi Guys ,
My thoughts are that the perfect nail bend is good and is not as bad as people think it is because of the instructions . I myself have been playing around with this for a couple of days now and it gets get reactions . I personally do both parts of the routine where you show the straight nail and then bend it and then you bend it back . Also as Jaz2005 said , you can leave this in your jacket pocket for about 45 minutes to an hour and it will stay perfect . I think it is worth the money . Hope this helps , Matthew
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On 2011-03-18 13:23, saysold1 wrote:
THE "IMPERFECT" NAIL BEND.

I'm sticking with my QB2 and Flexion - the only way to fly.

Thanks Peter for the comment too - your nose for quality & integrity remains unrivaled.


And...I'm flying with saysold1. QB2 will forever be a part of my bit!

Happy mind bending all!
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MY FIRST EVER MESSAGE ON THE MAGIC Café.

I feel like it's time for me to speak.................. honestly.

Only buy this product, if you're a fool for false advertising like me, have 50 quid to throw down the drain (like me) and want to waste your time messing around with a trick that simply doesn't work.
That was my opinion one week ago.... and hasn't changed much. Firstly, of course, the instructions are an absolute disgrace. I know that some stores have worked to improve this, but how any product worth this much money can be shipped with 1 lame piece of paper is absolutely beyond me. I thought my box had been split open and disbanded in the post. Awful presentation of a trick......... the worst I've ever seen.

As for the trick itself......... what a huge dissapointment. I haven't been this dissapointed in a trick since I purchased Gumslinger.
Simply, no matter what you say or do, ONE OF THE NAILS just DOES NOT WORK. The 'straight one' will NEVER EVER bend back straight, it's permanently at a 45 degree angle - HEATING will not reset it. SIMPLY, this nail is useless, and can only have some effect if you manage to bend it back on itself in a U shape. Bear in mind, this is dangerous, and I ended up hitting myself in the eye with the nail which sprang up. Not good at all.

The BENT NAIL? Okay.... I've actually managed to get this working, not great, but satisfactory. Firstly, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH you can bed the nails with ICE water. No way at all. Anyone who says you can has a different set to me. The only way to bend the nail is to SPRAY IT with AIR DUSTER. You know, what you use to spray in between your keyboards? Costs about £10 from Maplin, PC World etc. Simply tip it upside down, spray, and you'll have liquid C02 - cold. Spray the nail, and it WILL BE COLD ENOUGH to bend straight with your fingers!!!!!!!!! Finally! And easily! This is the only way to get the nail cold enough to bend... Trust me. The bad news is, you'll only have about 4 minutes before the nail will start to bend back again in room temperature...... but if you manage to put it in a spectators hand in time....... YOU CAN HAVE A DECENT TRICK. Just don't let them examine it first, as it will bend straight away under the heat of their fingers.

Thanks to Liquid C02, I've managed to get ONE NAIL working okay, and I will use it now and again. Unfortunately, this trick is ridiculously impractical, and impossible to take anywhere, as you have to carry a MASSIVE AIR DUSTER AROUND WITH YOU. Ask me, I almost got arrested trying to take it into a pub at the weekend,,, bouncers thinking I was going to blow the place to bits. It's a real shame.


Overall.......... if you haven't already brought this product, DON'T! If you have, follow my advice.... discard the straight nail as it doesn't work and keep the bent one. You'll have to use LIQUID COOLANT to get it cold enough to bend............... and even then, it's not practical. But, you can have a bit of fun with it.

Don't listen to anyone involved with the product who tries to defend this. They are either lying to get your money and save face, or have DIFFERENT NAILS to the ones I got! Probably both.

I might sound harsh, but I feel it's my job to speak the truth, in my first ever post. Ask yourselves this....... I've been looking on these forums for a whole year, why has this ONE PRODUCT made me passionate enough to post?

I look forward to seeing Penn and Petty rip this apart on Wednesday!

The Imperfect Nail bend. Perfection has never looked like such a lie.

Yours nailed,

MBlegend
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Thanks for the passionate and honest review - again - yikes!

The real yikes will be what I suspect from Petty and Penn to be a glowing review and (lord help us) "worker of the week." Maybe I'm wrong. If they do rave about PNB it will only add to the confusion of a product that obviously wasn't ready for prime time.
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On 2011-03-21 07:49, MBlegend wrote:
MY FIRST EVER MESSAGE ON THE MAGIC Café.

I feel like it's time for me to speak.................. honestly.

Only buy this product, if you're a fool for false advertising like me, have 50 quid to throw down the drain (like me) and want to waste your time messing around with a trick that simply doesn't work.
That was my opinion one week ago.... and hasn't changed much. Firstly, of course, the instructions are an absolute disgrace. I know that some stores have worked to improve this, but how any product worth this much money can be shipped with 1 lame piece of paper is absolutely beyond me. I thought my box had been split open and disbanded in the post. Awful presentation of a trick......... the worst I've ever seen.

As for the trick itself......... what a huge dissapointment. I haven't been this dissapointed in a trick since I purchased Gumslinger.
Simply, no matter what you say or do, ONE OF THE NAILS just DOES NOT WORK. The 'straight one' will NEVER EVER bend back straight, it's permanently at a 45 degree angle - HEATING will not reset it. SIMPLY, this nail is useless, and can only have some effect if you manage to bend it back on itself in a U shape. Bear in mind, this is dangerous, and I ended up hitting myself in the eye with the nail which sprang up. Not good at all.

The BENT NAIL? Okay.... I've actually managed to get this working, not great, but satisfactory. Firstly, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH you can bed the nails with ICE water. No way at all. Anyone who says you can has a different set to me. The only way to bend the nail is to SPRAY IT with AIR DUSTER. You know, what you use to spray in between your keyboards? Costs about £10 from Maplin, PC World etc. Simply tip it upside down, spray, and you'll have liquid C02 - cold. Spray the nail, and it WILL BE COLD ENOUGH to bend straight with your fingers!!!!!!!!! Finally! And easily! This is the only way to get the nail cold enough to bend... Trust me. The bad news is, you'll only have about 4 minutes before the nail will start to bend back again in room temperature...... but if you manage to put it in a spectators hand in time....... YOU CAN HAVE A DECENT TRICK. Just don't let them examine it first, as it will bend straight away under the heat of their fingers.

Thanks to Liquid C02, I've managed to get ONE NAIL working okay, and I will use it now and again. Unfortunately, this trick is ridiculously impractical, and impossible to take anywhere, as you have to carry a MASSIVE AIR DUSTER AROUND WITH YOU. Ask me, I almost got arrested trying to take it into a pub at the weekend,,, bouncers thinking I was going to blow the place to bits. It's a real shame.


Overall.......... if you haven't already brought this product, DON'T! If you have, follow my advice.... discard the straight nail as it doesn't work and keep the bent one. You'll have to use LIQUID COOLANT to get it cold enough to bend............... and even then, it's not practical. But, you can have a bit of fun with it.

Don't listen to anyone involved with the product who tries to defend this. They are either lying to get your money and save face, or have DIFFERENT NAILS to the ones I got! Probably both.

I might sound harsh, but I feel it's my job to speak the truth, in my first ever post. Ask yourselves this....... I've been looking on these forums for a whole year, why has this ONE PRODUCT made me passionate enough to post?

I look forward to seeing Penn and Petty rip this apart on Wednesday!

The Imperfect Nail bend. Perfection has never looked like such a lie.

Yours nailed,

MBlegend


I suggest that you return yours as it seems that you have a faulty set.
We have played with this continually and both nails work just as they should. If you bought it from us, just contact us for a replacement set. If not, contact the dealer who supplied it to you.

Your comments seem really unfair and to call people liars who have fully working sets is just not on. Many customers have seen this demonstarted in our shop and gone away happy with the purchase.

Perhaps you are trying to straighten out the wrong nail????
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Jim
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Obviously the quality control is not good as both of my nails do not work at all and I would never dream of saying it is not working for others. The instructions were so poor I am still not convinced that I am performing it correctly. I can bend the nails but they do not bend back on their own. I still have two bent nails staring at me---not very magical----do I have to flick as switch or something --as heat makes no difference.
I will have to send them back to be checked by someone who knows how the effect should work. Video instructions would have been nice.
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Hiya Jim mate,

Thanks for the reply.

Nothing personal. Just a heart on sleeve review.

Sorry if it seemed unfair, I did warn of my harshness within the post, but all I can do is give my honest opinion of the product.

I didn't call 'people who have fully working sets liars' - I was suggesting that the people involved with the creation of the product have marketed a product that doesn't consistently work. I've spoken to many people and they all have the same problems as me. It's about 5-1 people who have bad sets vs people who have good sets. It's nothing against stores themselves, just people like P______ who come on here raving about it being FANTASTIC, when clearly, across the board it's not for most. Perhaps they didn't test their prototypes enough... I don't know.

Thanks so much for your suggestion and offer to replace the 'faulty product'. You guys are fantastic at WMS, I mean, out and out outstanding on customer service and support. I don't really need to have it replaced, as I'm actually fine with what I have - being able to bend the one Nail, albeit with my own method. As I've said, I'm still able to have fun with it now I've got it. - I bought it afterall.

Thing is though, what can the product creators expect when they don't supply any useful instructions and video proof of it ACTUALLY working? I myself work in Advertising, and I'm astonished this could ever go out as it is!

Hmmmm

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SORRY, I THINK I GOT THE WRONG PERSON IN THE ABOVE POST! NOT P________ AT ALL! STUPID ME!
PLEASE IGNORE!!!! Sorry for wrongly accusing anyone of lying! Really. Ignore that bit, listen to the rest.
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Some bad reviews some OK. But mostly bad. Glad I never bought this. I have the key and it works great but it also cost 250.00. The nail bend is only 60.00 bucks. You think its a great deal but from what I read. You get what you pay for. A effect that's half a_ _ good. Sometimes works. Takes a long time to work so work on your patter. don't reset fast. Ya not for me. Thanks guys for putting up reviews.
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Hiya Jim mate,

Thanks for the reply.

Nothing personal. Just a heart on sleeve review.

Sorry if it seemed unfair, I did warn of my harshness within the post, but all I can do is give my honest opinion of the product.

I didn't call 'people who have fully working sets liars' - I was suggesting that the people involved with the creation of the product have marketed a product that doesn't consistently work. I've spoken to many people and they all have the same problems as me. It's about 5-1 people who have bad sets vs people who have good sets. It's nothing against stores themselves, just people like P______ who come on here raving about it being FANTASTIC, when clearly, across the board it's not for most. Perhaps they didn't test their prototypes enough... I don't know.

Thanks so much for your suggestion and offer to replace the 'faulty product'. You guys are fantastic at WMS, I mean, out and out outstanding on customer service and support. I don't really need to have it replaced, as I'm actually fine with what I have - being able to bend the one Nail, albeit with my own method. As I've said, I'm still able to have fun with it now I've got it. - I bought it afterall.

Thing is though, what can the product creators expect when they don't supply any useful instructions and video proof of it ACTUALLY working? I myself work in Advertising, and I'm astonished this could ever go out as it is!

Hmmmm

Best regards

Legend


Hi Legend
We now have new comprehensive instuctions for this along with a companion DVD which we have made for our customers.

I have sent you one of each in the mail today.

If you still have problems just give us a call and we will sort it out.
best regards
jim
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This thread has certainly convinced me not to buy this product. Perhaps it needs a bit more R&D, it seems a lot of folks are more than unhappy with their purchase.
As there are some awesome metal bending techniques out there, I feel a product like this should only be released if it's 100%. If it was totally reliable, it might be a great climax to a series of bending effects - but sadly it appears not to be so.
My suggestion to those interested in this is to learn some of the standard methods first, and just maybe you'll never need a high-tech product to do all the work for you. I still remember Ali Bongo bending my Dad's spare housekey in about 1971. We SAW the key bend in his hand (or thought we did at least). And it WAS his key - he got it back bent, and it stayed like that for ever more.
For my money, a much stronger effect, as it's done with a spectator's object. Not quite sure how Ali would have handled it if no one had a spare key on them - but I guess he'd have moved on to something else, or used a key of his own.
I'm afraid there are evident limitations to this effect, and combined with it's reported unreliability, it would be a fool who'd part with his cash instead of deciding to take on the (relatively simple) traditional handlings.
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Hi guys.

I originally got a sample of The Perfect Nail Bend prior to its release and was quite impressed with the quality. It was one of the few items of this genre that I felt truly looked like what it was supposed to be... especially at the price. The price point blew me away as I had been working with another vendor on an item in this genre and it was 5 or 6 times the price and there were, once again, problems with the look. I have seen several items along these lines that just looked "funny". We got a few units, played with them, and they were great.

The order came and went out while I was away working on a project and I started seeing a few complaints come in the office by people I respect such as Jim. I immediately asked them to scan and send me a copy of the instructions.. . huge problem. I had played with it enough to know what I was doing and even I found it cryptic and a bit confusing.

I immediately set to work to write new revised instructions and we got them out that day. It's a shame when an amazing item comes out and either the packaging, the instructions, or some other aspect is not to quite on par. Not only does it hurt consumers, but it actually hurts the manufacturer as it simply doesn't do as well.

I have played with half a dozen units or more and not had one issue. The prop itself (2) is very well made. The same cannot be said of the initial instructions or packaging.

Obviously with any product including DVDs, books, etc. there ARE defective units. I've seen books come in where a few copies are printed upside down as an example But if one chooses to overlook this due to the instructions they are truly missing out, in my opinion. There are tons of new magic tricks so if you pass you pass and you will find other great items. However if you have an interest in metal bending like I do this is very good. It allows you to either visibly and slowly have a nail bend or unbend/straighten.

I have written up new instructions and those have been sent out as the instructions that were initially with it were simply not thorough or clear as noted. It took me a couple of hours to piece together the proper instructions based on playing with it a lot (it's not hard at all... one issue is that if you do it incorrectly as the revised instructions note, you can damage it- but this is the case with almost any item you buy). You should have seen me sitting there in my hotel room miming this from memory and typing away. Anyway, we can find good and bad in almost anything that hits the market in any area. But at the price and quality of the props I was impressed.

It's a shame that the poor instructions and possibly the unintended misuse of it because of those instructions by a few may have negatively impacted this a bit. If your dealer does not have the new instructions we can easily e-mail them a copy. Just wanted to give my two cents from someone who has seen this, tried a number of units, etc. You should feel comfortable in what you buy and decide not to buy but you should make the decision with accurate information. Hope this helps.

Tim
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I just sent mine back so I will see what happens and let you all know if it's something I did wrong due to the poor instructions. I really want this to be a reliable effect and as a professional magician reliability is more important than cost. Consistency is also important---there is nothing in the instructions to tell you how long these gimmicks will work for or whether they have a shelf life
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Hi guys.

I originally got a sample of The Perfect Nail Bend prior to its release and was quite impressed with the quality. It was one of the few items of this genre that I felt truly looked like what it was supposed to be... especially at the price. The price point blew me away as I had been working with another vendor on an item in this genre and it was 5 or 6 times the price and there were, once again, problems with the look. I have seen several items along these lines that just looked "funny". We got a few units, played with them, and they were great.

The order came and went out while I was away working on a project and I started seeing a few complaints come in the office by people I respect such as Jim. I immediately asked them to scan and send me a copy of the instructions.. . huge problem. I had played with it enough to know what I was doing and even I found it cryptic and a bit confusing.

I immediately set to work to write new revised instructions and we got them out that day. It's a shame when an amazing item comes out and either the packaging, the instructions, or some other aspect is not to quite on par. Not only does it hurt consumers, but it actually hurts the manufacturer as it simply doesn't do as well.

I have played with half a dozen units or more and not had one issue. The prop itself (2) is very well made. The same cannot be said of the initial instructions or packaging.

Obviously with any product including DVDs, books, etc. there ARE defective units. I've seen books come in where a few copies are printed upside down as an example But if one chooses to overlook this due to the instructions they are truly missing out, in my opinion. There are tons of new magic tricks so if you pass you pass and you will find other great items. However if you have an interest in metal bending like I do this is very good. It allows you to either visibly and slowly have a nail bend or unbend/straighten.

I have written up new instructions and those have been sent out as the instructions that were initially with it were simply not thorough or clear as noted. It took me a couple of hours to piece together the proper instructions based on playing with it a lot (it's not hard at all... one issue is that if you do it incorrectly as the revised instructions note, you can damage it- but this is the case with almost any item you buy). You should have seen me sitting there in my hotel room miming this from memory and typing away. Anyway, we can find good and bad in almost anything that hits the market in any area. But at the price and quality of the props I was impressed.

It's a shame that the poor instructions and possibly the unintended misuse of it because of those instructions by a few may have negatively impacted this a bit. If your dealer does not have the new instructions we can easily e-mail them a copy. Just wanted to give my two cents from someone who has seen this, tried a number of units, etc. You should feel comfortable in what you buy and decide not to buy but you should make the decision with accurate information. Hope this helps.

Tim


Tim-

It was very nice of you to clarify and respond here. Who knows, in time and with proper tweaking of the instructions, it's possible that the Perfect Nail Bend may yet live up to massively high expectations.

I guess my main question is... why the #1 magic distributor in the United States allowed this product out the doors with such poor instructions in the first place?

To me it's like going to a restaurant that messes up on opening night - I might go back, but it's even more likely that I won't and I will probably go out of my way to tell friends to avoid the place.

The people who read the posts on the Café can at least help each other in these situations.

Murphy's has a reputation for quality - so standing behind the product as you stated above is admirable.
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Jim... You guys are the best . Really appreciate this. Sorry if my post sounded bad... I should think before I open my mouth... As my mom's always said. It's not the dealers fault some products are made dodgy...

You are always my store in Brum!

Best regards

Mark
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Wow. I sure wish I came here first before ordering mine. I recently traded in some old, unused equipment at Abbott's and had them send me The Perfect Nail Bend as part of my store credit. I started playing with the nails last night, both with ice water and Dust Off, and frankly, I was not impressed.

I could not get the bent nail to straighten properly in the setting tube, and I could not get the straight nail to bend. The instructions are pathetic. While they look like real nails, and $60 for two gimmicked nails is a great price, if they don't work as advertised in the demo videos, the effect is a waste of money.

The instructions aren't just poor -- they are pathetic. I asked Tim to send me a copy of the revised instructions to see if I could salvage the trick. I had very high aspirations for using this in my strolling or parlor performances, but this thing really bites the big one, fellas. A waste of $60. eBay here we come ...
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I'm happy to say I have had no problems with my PNB... I'v used it half a dozen times performing now, and I don't know how many times just playing around with it. It does have an awesome wow factor, and no one has yet thought the temperature of the nail was suspicious... Setup time is minutes, using the right method, and it lasts a fair amount of time (30mins+) with the provided pack and bag, although I DID leave it for just under an hour on the weekend and it still worked fine. Oh, and it does not take ages to take effect, I use it in the spectators hands.

On a side note, not to sound sexist, the 'omg' reactions from woman is great.
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SAYSOLD WROTE;
"reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff."
I agree...

Just out of curiosity, Have you worked with the nails? If not, I would envite you to check them out yourself and give a review here on the Café.

Best to all,
Patrick
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