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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
I fully agree with the post two up, as you can tell by how I ranked things in importance for me. Honestly, Eshla, your focus is all wrong. Just develop a likeable, charismatic persona to start with, and focus on sticking with a single ability, connecting all of your effects by using the same "process." Read or (re-read) Fundamentals and get Bob's teleseminar, Beyond Fundimentals, to help better integrate the ideas.
Ask yourself, did Uri Geller perform effects really well? He did a pretty rudimentary spoon bend by today's standards, basic psychological forces, a drawing dupe, etc. Nothing spectacular. Yet he was more famous than any of us will likely ever be. Why is that? Sure, it was partially because he was in the right place at the right time. However, it was also largely because he had a strong, charismatic, likeable persona (it didn't hurt that he was tall and attractive, either). How much time do you think he spent obsessing over effects like you do? Work on strengthening your core persona and humanity and stop trying to find effects to use as a wall to hide behind. You'll be better for it.
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Blackwood Special user Mind-Play 528 Posts |
Wow, cpbartak. "Stop trying to find effects to use as a wall to hide behind." That's one of the wisest bits of mentalism advice I've ever heard.
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powerwords New user Indonesia 73 Posts |
1. the "espnow***"
2. metal bending 3. equivoque 4. design duplication 5. my own personal "threesome prediction" 6. Roulette
BE GOOD, if you can't then BE CAREFUL, if it's hard then BE BAD!!!
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Derren Brown only needs to concentrate on 3 things to deliver a phenomenal mentalist show.
1) I show you that I can read your mind 2) I get you to read my mind 3) I then get someone else to read someone else's mind other than mine.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 07:23, bobser wrote: Very true bobser. And above all that, he remembers that he is supposed to be an entertainment and does what he does with that firmly in mind. Really some mentalists (not meaning you, bobser) seem to want to bore old people to death and only perform to old people who think they are a charismatic real psychic. They should get out and perform to a bunch of teenagers and see how they get laughed off the stage with their taking themselves way to seriously. They are the mental equivalent of old Magicians who still think you are not a magician unless you wear a top hat and tailcoat. That sort held magic back years in the UK but they are still alive and kicking in many a local magic club. Get out and move with the times! The same methods work, just update and adapt!
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 08:11, Shrubsole wrote: I'll be sure to let Bob Cassidy, John Riggs, and others know that they'll get laughed off the stage by teenagers if they continue to present themselves as real psychics. I'm sure they will appreciate you saving them from this embarrassment!
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 11:01, cpbartak wrote: They would get laughed off if they presented themselves as "Psychic" to a typical British teenage audience. Psychics are not liked here, and the trick of the psychics we do have left in Britain is to let their audience come to them. If you have someone paying £20 to see you perform psychic readings, they won't heckle you. But if you try and do that in the street or anywhere open then you do get laughed at. Thankfully we Mentalists are lucky in that we can chose who we perform to, if someone seems unsuitable for "a test" then we can simply send them back to their seat.
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 11:01, cpbartak wrote: Interesting. I was assuming that the emphasis in the original post was about people who thought that they were charismatic; in which case there is nothing against Bob Cassidy or John Riggs because they both really are charismatic. If the post emphasis was against people claiming to be psychic then I also would need to strongly disagree. Whenever I do a mentalism show or presentation I always have the character of being a real psychic; after all that's the kind of stuff I think is interesting in 'real life' so why wouldn't my 'character' do them? I've had very strong reactions from kids teenagers and adults. In fact it can be easier to present yourself as a psychic to a teenager or adult, because there defenses don't go up in the same way as if you said you do magic. I just present in a fun way. Some people believe and others don't. but it can fun regardless.
"Love is the magician who pulls man out of his own hat" - Ben Hecht
"Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing'. Between the two, my life flows." -Nisargadatta Maharaj Seadog=C-Dawg=C.ou.rtn.ey Kol.b |
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Anansi Regular user 195 Posts |
Thanks for that Senor Bartak.
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I'll be sure to let Bob Cassidy, John Riggs, and others know that they'll get laughed off the stage by teenagers if they continue to present themselves as real psychics. I'm sure they will appreciate you saving them from this embarrassment! Eshla- where are you getting this information? Or is this your opinion? Is this hard won experience from being laughed off stage for bending someones family silver?
ars est celare artem
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
"Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring."
— Marilyn Monroe (Marilyn: Her Life in Her Own Words) |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I don't know about getting "laughed off the stage." If you take a look at the videos I posted recently on my channel at http://www.youtube.com/themastermindreader , you'll notice that almost half the audience are teenagers.
The only thing they were laughing at was my jokes. I may be old, but I didn't get there by being stupid. (Free advice for some who seem to need it.) Good thoughts, Bob |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
My previous post is not in reference to anyone here other than myself. I am a firm believer in Wabi-Sabi.
Tony |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 11:55, Eshla wrote: Yes indeed, Eshla the UK is a very different animal which some don't understand. We here are getting more and more secular and cynical whilst America appears to be becoming even more religious and their audiences behave very differently. Derren Brown is proof if it were needed that we like a mystery but if he started making claims that he really read minds or contacted the dead, even he would be laughed at. He knows this and so just leaves it as a mystery or gives an almost viable explanation. So as in my act, I can do straight old school mentalism, but I avoid making claims that the audience wouldn't swallow. They would see that as me treating like a 5 year old and not take to too kindly. "How do you do that?" "I read minds!!!!!" "No, come on, how did you really do that?" The very first question clearly shows that they don't buy people really reading people's minds.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Whatever.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 13:12, mastermindreader wrote: You may be billed as a mind reader, (Arguably the world's best person who goes out as a minder reader as well) but a audience in the UK (especially teenagers) would just see you as an entertainment calling them self a mind reader. No reason why you would not be enjoyed as that and people would laugh at your jokes. However, they wouldn't think that you really read people's minds. They would find that sort of thing in 2011 very patronising. At best they would excuse it as what you say to people to stop them finding out your secrets. :)
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
It's interesting that you equate "mind reading" with "psychic." There are any number of ways to really read minds -
i.e. to tell people what they are thinking. As to your reference earlier to people asking "How did you do that?", I wrote about that in "The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy": Quote:
HOW TO TELL IF YOU ARE DOING MENTAL MAGIC OR MENTALISM: Good thoughts, Bob |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 14:33, mastermindreader wrote: I think that is just semantics for we performing people. 'Mind Reading' to a lay audience is someone who claims to be able to actually read people's minds using 'mystic' 'magical' or 'psychic' powers - To them it's not someone using 'techniques' (of any kind) to deduce what someone is thinking and then rewording it to say 'Well I am still reading your mind' But as I said, that is why the likes of Derren Brown has reworded what he does with seemingly possible explanations as he knows that "I'm a Mind Reader" won't wash here even if he is using the very same techniques that you are. Here in the UK we are all doing Mental Magic (The audiences definition not ours) as there simply is no such thing as 'Reading People's minds' (No matter how wonderful the performer) :)
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I guess we'll just have to disagree. When I finally get to the UK to perform, I'll do it the exact same way I do here - and I predict I'll get the same reactions.
But I'm glad to see you've backed off your assertion that we old guys only work effectively before other old guys. Good thoughts, Bob |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-02-05 14:48, mastermindreader wrote: I'm sure you will have outstanding results and a great response. But they won't think you 'really' read people's minds and dismiss any answer you give as just protecting your secret.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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