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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Hi, I'm an ex-cafe user – been three or so months since I last used...i used to try and share ideas, help out if I could, debate, consider...all those good, healthy things..but then it started to taste funny, it itched and scratched at my soul...so I walked away...
so why am I here? Well... last night, I had a vision... part dream, part hallucination... I was confronted by three holy spirits, fogel, corinda and annemann... I was comforted and in awe of these gentlemen – they sent fond regards from koran, canasta and a few others too...they all said “keep on going, trust in yourself – practice, learn, study, perform... be the best that you can be... strive to keep things interesting, mysterious, entertaining and above all else – be true to yourself...†thanked them for their time, their thoughts, their skills, talents and energies...what they taught me, and continue to teach me each time I contact them via a book... I then saw a small bridge, with my mum on the opposite side – she reminded me of the times we'd sit together and I'd show her my latest learnings, and the delight on her face – and she'd listen to my stories and experiences of me trying my best, my ups and downs during a performance where it all went wrong or right... I love mentalism, and respect all the allied arts and fancies... but I hate what some of you are doing or have done to it... I hate the fact its picked at, disected like a half rotted carcass baked too long in the sun – by human vultures, that are no braver, brighter or educated than the nearest lump of dog excrement that they so bravely and boldly speak... there have been people on here who are professionals, people who have learned so much and have been educated by DOING IT... I am by no means we take everything they say as gospel, but at very, very least should respect their view and words – and their time and energy in that sharing...they want to help, they want see people share, learn and grow...and yet... and yet some of you (by no means all, some of you a fragrant embodiments of human delight) – but some of you are not even worth the graphite dust off my swami...and who am I to say that eh? From some lofty ledge, with no video performances to back it all up with – with no huge product to rant and rave over (though, while you bring that subject up I have proudly achieved two things – one, had a respected publisher of magic and mentalism buy the rights to my very first book, secondly that my last little booklet got into the top 50 best mentalism releases on Jheff's site) ...ahem... I have worked very hard, I've been frustrated, angered, on the verge of giving up so many times – I've failed massively, I've messed up – I've also happened upon cheers, connections, memories shared from people I'll never meet again, and some I've kept in contact with for years... its all been from my hard work, and sometimes from my blatant lack of commitment... I am the only person that gets to say what I believe in, what I share with others – and what and how I do things... so basically, all things considered – you vulture types, puffed up full of ego, ill-earned bravado, half learnt “that'll do†knowledge – treat those pro guys like dirt. And you genuinely make me angry... I would say hate – but that's too much emotional investment to waste on you... scientifically, there is no such thing as psychic ability, thoughts cannot be read, minds cannot be mongered – however... as these things do not exist, why be so strict in the meaning of those words? Who gets to say what psychic means, other than me, in my version of this world? Certainly not you... dance with the meanings, the ploys, the presentations, be interested and interesting... I have met people who think I have a knack, a gift, a psychic talent – I've asked them what they mean by those words – and the interesting thing is... none of them say the exact same thing...no two definitions are exactly the same... so, to sum up – I am giving in to the Café for one last hit...what you've just read... treat these people with the respect they deserve, shut your mouth every once in a while, tame that mammoth ego, listen...learn...remember... stop pretending, stop lying, stop accepting that mentalism begins and ends on forums... above all else – I have reached out and asked or help from some of these pro's that have been derided, belittled and ignored... do you know what happened? They were all charming, helpful, and patient... they also helped me, offered their time, patience and honest feedback... and they all know a ****-sight more than you vultures...
I've asked to be banned
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Smoking Camel Inner circle UK 1039 Posts |
Hello Iain..... Personally I blame pick up artists. Vile creatures (or vultures as you say) that have slowly began infecting this art with their desire to impress.
.... Probably a massive generalisation but it helps me sleep at night.
I no longer smoke camel cigarettes.
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Withnail Special user 974 Posts |
Welcome back Iain
Yet again that oaf has destroyed my day
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Garrette Special user 926 Posts |
Hmmm. It might be interesting to know what the specific complaint is or who the specific targets are.
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
I wonder what would happen if all of a sudden the café bugged and you couldn't tell the name of the person posting the advice? Hell Iain, you'd have to start judging the advice on its own merits instead of the author.
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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Blackwood Special user Mind-Play 528 Posts |
Amen, Iain, amen.
When I think of some of the great talents who have so much to teach us – and so little to learn from us – who have been driven away from this forum because of carping, niggling, know-it-alls, I get very sad. Your honesty and thinking are missed, too, sir. |
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 16:51, Garrette wrote: Hi Garrette, I think the problem is the people Iain was talking about don't realize it and, therefore, are unlikely to change. I miss your contributions, Iain. Hope all is well Regards, Steve
"Impossible? Your audience will think so..." TM
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Simon (Ted) Edwards Inner circle London 1528 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 16:51, Garrette wrote: It is pretty self-evident. T. |
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Garrette Special user 926 Posts |
Quote: Hi, Steve. Or perhaps they realize both that they are the one's Iain is talking about and that the issue is poorly stated.
On 2011-02-07 18:12, yachanin wrote: Regards |
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M. H. Goodman Regular user Dublin, Republic of Ireland 169 Posts |
Welcome back Iain...even if it's just for one last hit.
Coinucopia available now at http://coinucopia.blogspot.com.
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
I love the way Mentalists are now treating the café like Amy Whinehouse treats heroin.
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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Blackwood Special user Mind-Play 528 Posts |
You mean abusing it?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 18:59, Eshla wrote: I love the way that you've tried to change how you write to try and fit in more... you're going through the "join the kool krew" phase, siding with anyone that may even slightly support your mindset...i look forward to more biting remarks from you and your like-minded lolligaggers... I would say that some of you are treating mentalism like heroin, that's the irony... one more hit, you'll do anything for one more hit - enjoy the buzz, the fug that envelops the mind and then repeat ad infinitum - plus, you'll use any excuse that excuses your behaviour and attitude towards other people as long as you get that hit, that high...
I've asked to be banned
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 19:11, IAIN wrote: You're confusing my love of Mentalism with my libido. Now if you don't mind, I suggest we stop this discussion, as I cannot imagine its purpose or goal, and instead discuss something useful. What do you think the cleanest ACAAN published method is? If you could meet any Mentalists, living or dead, who would it be? Whats the one effect you've always wanted, but never achieved? It honestly amazes me that we chose to bicker and squabble as we do when we could instead discuss such interesting questions. Now, I must disrespectfully bow out of this flame war, it does not need my metaphorical carcass fueling the flames of disagreement and grudge.
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
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On 2011-02-07 18:22, Garrette wrote: Hi Garrette, I suppose one could sum up the main points of Iain's post as: 1) listen more, post less; 2) think before you post; 3) show some common courtesy. Probably not a bad idea for everyone in the Café. Regards, Steve
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts |
I've got a couple of problems with this.
1. Being a known 'pro' doesn't in itself give them the right not to be 'derided, belittled and ignored'. It would be silly to think otherwise. 2. This is a bit of an over-reaction. Where are all the instances of known pros being undeservedly 'derided, belittled and ignored'. Sure, I can think of instances when it happens, but it certainly isn't a plague that slips in to every thread which is how I have taken your message to imply. Respect, maintain, keep the spirit the same.
Send me the truth: davitsicseek@gmail.com
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Great advice Steve.
Davit: 1. We all know who he is, and we know he knows what he is talking about! He isn't some screen name in the dark, and he does not deride people. So why would anyone treat him with other than the decency he deserves? 2. There have been many cases, and we know what happens to threads when they have obtained a certain level of vitriol. Tony |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
If the issue at hand is simple respect, I'm in. I watch nasty little fights break out on other message boards all the time and I heave a sigh and wait for it to be over. The backbiting and reflex cruelty some people have on some boards is a tremendous waste of creative energy. Maybe there should be a room for the guys who just want to fight? We could call it "The After School Back Lot."
I listen very carefully when anyone I respect speaks: pro or not. Wisdom comes in many packages. I've learned a lot here, just listening. Personally, I am enormously grateful for the PMs as well as the information posted here. And overall I have REALLY enjoyed the positive vibe that's generated when a group of people who care about a common subject come together to just talk about it. Iain: you make a great deal of sense. I commend you. David
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts |
Tony, I thinkw e have our wires crossed re 1. I wasn't talking about Iain, purely in the abstract.
Send me the truth: davitsicseek@gmail.com
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Davit:
That makes sense, especially because of the nice way you ended your message: "Respect, maintain, keep the spirit the same." But it reads as if you are singling out "Bob" the subject of that treatment here, today. Tony |
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