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MitchellMac Loyal user 210 Posts |
So, I don't do many packet tricks but I just recently came up with a little four card trick. I want something that will routine well with it so I would like to learn a twisting the aces routine. It has to use only four cards though, no extras. Any Ideas on where to learn that?
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
Start with the original. You can find it in Dai Vernon's More Inner Secrets of Card Magic.
You can also find it on Ammar's ETMCM's DVDs.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Motown is right there is no better place to start than the original by Dai Vernon.
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WalkerMagic Regular user 103 Posts |
You can find twisting the aces in Stars of Magic. Its a great book. You can get it here: http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/fin......OF MAGIC
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Sorry but twisting the aces is NOT in Stars of Magic. It is a great book. It was printed and published several years before Vernon came up with Twisting the aces however.
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WalkerMagic Regular user 103 Posts |
Sorry, I was confused with cutting the aces.
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
The book I mentioned can still be found on it's own, but it's also part of Vernon's Inner trilogy from L&L.
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Dr. JK Inner circle Sandusky, OH 1191 Posts |
You can also get it (More Inner Secrets of Card Magic) very inexpensively from Lybrary.com. That's where I got it, and it's great!
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
You may also find more good information in the "Deckless" section of the forum!
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greydonthemagician Regular user London, Ontario 149 Posts |
I have always used this effect but followed it by Daley's last trick! Food for thought but I feel they flow well together.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Many magicians use Daley's last trick as a follow up. Very good effect that way or on it's own. I often follow up Twisting with another ace effect that Michael Skinner taught me then the L.T.O.D.J.D
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
Steve Draun's Counting Puzzle from his Standing Room Only Vol. III DVD is a neat little effect using only four aces.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Another excellent twisting effect is the Asher Twist. Here is a video of Lee performing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1dmgDxdTqQ
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MitchellMac Loyal user 210 Posts |
Actually the reason I wanted to learn twisting the aces is because I thought it would work well with a trick I came up with that is very similar to Dr Daley's last trick
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Nothing wrong with that at all. Get the Vernon book. Not only will you then have twisting the aces but other useful things as well. If you can get the Essential Dia Vernon book. That way you will have all the Vernon books in one volume.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
"Another excellent twisting effect is the Asher Twist."
that's an understatement. there are few more elegant and beautiful card routines than a flawlessly performed asher twist. it's substantially more difficult, and requires a major commitment; but after seeing it, it's hard to get excited about justifying all the weird flips and turns in the original |
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Justin W Special user Lawrence, KS 929 Posts |
The "weird flips and turns" are justified, and easily at that. Vernon constructed a perfectly motivated set of actions.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
The lack of any turns any (visible) turns or flips in the asher twist are even more justified.
and I'm not sure that the ace of spades being a particularly intransigent card qualifies as a credible justification. |
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Justin W Special user Lawrence, KS 929 Posts |
Well then don't justify it with that particular presentation.
I'm not discrediting the Asher Twist. I'm just saying that Vernon's original shouldn't be look upon as some quirk of antiquity. In the Asher Twist, you're doing exactly what the audience would suspect you to do. In the original, you aren't (well, not as explicitly). It's subtlety versus brute force. If pressed upon how you accomplished the effect, he's going to say that you turned them over (no matter how wonderful the effect is performed, that will be the go-to solution if asked). However, with the Vernon original, you're accomplishing the same effect with an Elmsley count, which is much, much more counterintuitive in the minds of the spectators. |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Asher is an objectively better way to turn over four cards. the vernon original is a necessary, evolutionary step on the way. whether it's a quirk of antiquity or a pretty good and enduring card trick for those who haven't mastered a half pass depends on your perspective. much as you'd never opt to use a motorola brick cell phone if you have an i-phone, those with the option of both would only do the original for nostalgia, not because it has its own singular potency relative to the asher. unlike cell phones, though, lay people aren't familiar with the full spectrum and evolution of twisting the aces effects. for that reason, the original can be as great as it ever was. relative to the asher twist, though, it's manifestly inferior. and if you're performing for people who came from a table where they just saw a well performed asher twist, you'd be better off just doing an invisible deck than blundering through a bunch of elmseleys and triple lifts
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