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J.G. the magnificent![]() Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts ![]() |
I am working on a addition to my C&B routine just for fun. May or may not use it. Thinking of adding THE FOUR TRAVELING Balls from "TARBELL COURSE IN MAGIC VOL. 1. This may be a good finish as a way of doing the hat load. It might be overkill though and may be better to simply have the load appear with no previous things aside from the cup loads. If I do use it though I would use Peanuts Rather than sponge balls. I would half to have one already hidden in my hand. Preceded by three more, by the time I got to the one in the pocket my hand would not be relaxed. I tried it and ended up with a tightened fist of peanuts. I may try a shuttle pass, or some other technique.
It may even be better to use it as a beginning effect with the load being my stack of cups. Unless that is just going to give away the end load. Any suggestions?
Jeremy Gates
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HerbLarry![]() Special user Poof! 731 Posts ![]() |
Personally I feel clutter and it's not appealing.
Then again you may be able to make it very entertaining, but I'm going with clutter.
You know why don't act naive.
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Bill Palmer![]() Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24274 Posts ![]() |
This is what I generally call an "uncle" trick. It's the kind of trick that your uncle would do after dinner using someone's hat and some balls of news paper. It's really a piece of impromptu magic. I don't think I would put the whole thing into a cups and balls routine -- the Gazzo climax may have come from this, in a way.
Other "uncle" tricks include the soup plate trick and the pieces of paper on the knife blade.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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cupsandballsmagic![]() Inner circle 2706 Posts ![]() |
My Uncle does a great trick... everytime he walks down the street, he turns into a pub!
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Tom Fenton![]() Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1469 Posts ![]() |
So does my Uncle, every time someone mentions work, he vanishes.
"But there isn't a door"
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11159 Posts ![]() |
Well, to play devil's advocate for a second, I've seen some "uncle" tricks that smoke the hell out of some so-called magicians doing the supposed good stuff. But, I digress...
As our herb-enhanced friend suggested, clutter may be the lurking threat. The hardest thing I ever had to learn about constructing a Cups and Balls routine was resisting the temptation of DOING everything I COULD do. Learn to kill your darlings.
~michael baker
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
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On 2011-02-09 12:17, cupsandballsmagic wrote: We have GOT to hang out before I leave the country.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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cupsandballsmagic![]() Inner circle 2706 Posts ![]() |
We'll sort it.....
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
No we won't. You'll forget about me and never talk to me again. I know the type. My last girlfriend was the same way. You total ONE CAR and they stop speaking to you.
I'll make my way down there before I go. Gotta explore! J.G. - I'm all for any variation to a cups and balls ending if it keeps it interesting and doesn't muddy the effect. Pete Biro's addition of 2 in the hand, 1 in the pocket was a great ending to his routine.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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cupsandballsmagic![]() Inner circle 2706 Posts ![]() |
You'd only regret it in the morning Andrew...
I think that the impact of a hat load is lost if it isn't done right after the final loads of the cups, you want to build and keep that momentum going.... |
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
I'd agree...I like the way John Carney does it. I know that's really a one cup routine but I think the idea can be the same if done right...when the coconut comes out of the hat it's almost like a bonus that no one was expecting because they basically figured that the hat was out of play at that point.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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J.G. the magnificent![]() Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts ![]() |
Couldn't find a John Carney video though I loved the Pete Biro routine. Gets me thinking thanks.
Jeremy Gates
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cupsandballsmagic![]() Inner circle 2706 Posts ![]() |
Check out Bob Read's work J.G
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
Check out Carney on Letterman. It's on YouTube.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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55Hudson![]() Special user Minneapolis 981 Posts ![]() |
I think the discussion on this forum, "appeal of the chop cup" is instructive regarding J.G.'s question. It is noteded by several people that the simplicity of a chop cup routine is what strikes the audience. One, two, three impossible things happen in quick succession and then it is over. Very powerful.
Longer routines are much less tolerant of weakness in the story line or external distractions. It can certainly be done (e.g, Vernon), but must be extremely well crafted and executed or much of the impact will be lost. Just my opinion - short, punchy routines seem more reliable in creating the desired response. Of course if you have years of practice and hundreds of shows, even the most complicated and lenghty routine can be refined into a masterpiece. |
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Bill Palmer![]() Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24274 Posts ![]() |
One of the secrets of art is to know when to stop. Once you have found the elephant in the stone, don't hunt for the horse and the sparrow -- unless they are really there.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11159 Posts ![]() |
Too many brush strokes will turn a beautiful painting into a canvas full of mud.
~michael baker
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
...That applies here too, right?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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J.G. the magnificent![]() Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts ![]() |
Carney on Letterman was genious thanks for that Andrewzuber. That will keep my mind buisy for a while.
Jeremy Gates
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Andrew Zuber![]() Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2658 Posts ![]() |
Glad you enjoyed it! The act is even better in person.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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