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Eddini_81976
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I've had this wheeler-tanner escape catalog for years now and they sell a set of handcuffs by this name from David DeVal. I guess these are totally examinable, gimmicked handcuffs that allow you to escape instantly, therefore, making them good for underwater escapes. I've been looking for a totally examinable set of handcuffs that you can escape from underwater. The "Greased Lightning" handcuffs sell for about $100.00. Are they worth that price? Thanks.

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I haven't had the spare cash but most folks recommend Ian's ADA 100s from Cannons.

Maybe someone that owns them can fill you in.
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Go with Cannons and get the ADAs but you will have to give them measurements.

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DeVal's GL handcuff is an interesting concept but I know of very few people who us it in an underwater setting.

Also note that Tanner's prices are now higher than the catalog. I have the most current which is 5 years old and those prices are not correct due to inflation.

Joe may or may not have them in stock and usually you can get them for cheaper through another dealer.

Ed, if you need Joe's email address or other sites that sell them, let me know and I'll help you out.

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Okay Shawn, thanks a lot. I'm just seeing what's out there as far as high quality, gimmicked cuffs that people can actually rigorously examine but allow you to free yourself in a matter of seconds.

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Try this site for Greased Lightning cuffs. I'm not sure if these are the DeVal ones.

http://www.tricksfortruth.com/shop/brows......p;path=6

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Thanks Don. I checked out the site and yes, I think those are the handcuffs from what I read in the description.

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Hey Ed,

I'd stear clear of the Greased Lightning cuffs. I went through 4 pairs, each with a different fault...eventually got my money back and bought the ADA100s from Cannons.

The quality of the DeVal products has really deteriorated since David passed on. They now go under Jeani Magic and the quality of workmanship on all the products I've seen is now very poor.
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Okay James, thanks. I hear Cannons is a better shop and place for good quality stuff anyways. I like their website. Their Barrel Escape looks real nice.

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Dear Eddini, I also have a pair of David DeVal's Lightning fast handcuffs. I have had them for about 15 year now. I purchased them to see how they worked. I had read the advertisement that said they could be fully examined. They couldn't! Three things are very noticeable on the pair I have. Increased chain length with links that don't even look like handcuff links. The rivets have been popped for the dismantling of the cuff lock which really show as tampering. Lastly, the large head of the release button sticks out of the cuff lock.

I was very disappointed at the advertising of the product as well as the finished item.

Personally I recommend asking others of note, what they use.

Regards

Ian McColl
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Eddini, trust Ian. He is very honest and helpful. He has also been involved in escapes for many years plus he does research. He throughly looks up the patents, etc. Don.
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I wouldn't use the Greased Lightning-style under water. I have two versions, one leg manacle and one handcuff. The handcuffs work fine but the leg manacles jammed on me due to play in the ratchet. If you have to use cuffs, develop a method to swap them with easy-to-escape cuffs before you submerge yourself.
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Okay, thanks guys. Wow, Ian, that does sound disappointing. I did get his escapology video a couple of years ago and I thought it was okay. He showed different tricked models. I won't go into detail here though. I have a regular $40.00 set of Bridge Jumpers, got them years and years ago. They are a Fury make. I have a real set of Furys too, so I have been able to make a switch before. Years ago at wheeler-tanner escapes I bought a $60.00 pair of leg shackles "bridgejumpers". They say police commissioner on them. The only reason that I've bought from them is because they had an ad in the linking ring magazine and it was the only escape artist supplier I knew of. Anyway, thanks again guys.

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Dear Ed,

Yes, I was disappointed by both the fact that I have seen several of David DeVal's appearances on different TV shows (and thanks to those who sent me copies) back in the 1980s and his escape work is legendary. His handcuffs were certainly not up to the standard I expected. Also, the biggest disapointment was that there is only a small market place for escape equipment and anything that taints ones expectations of what is offered, can tarnish the reputation of all makers of equipment. Also, people work hard in their escape performances not to be handing out money for items that don't do what they want or need.

I must hasten to add that I have not seen the cuffs you mention and my thoughts are only on the grease lightning cuffs.

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Ian McColl
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Thanks again Ian. You are right, the public does tend to lump people into one category, even if it is just one person ruining it for the rest. It is quite a shame, I agree.

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Hi all,

I agree with Ian on this one. I spoke to David on the phone every other day for three months when I was researching publicity escapes a number of years ago. I had read the adverts for the greased lightning cuffs but each time I asked David if I should buy a pair he kept putting me off by telling me to use bridge jumpers instead. When he finally gave in and sent me a pair, I could see why.

The release switch stands out a mile and you can tell by just looking at the outside of the cuffs that they have been tampered with.

Very disapointing. Don't waste your money.

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Buy something Ian made or created. I know Ian does take his time and does research his creations.

Best of luck and keep us informed.

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