There are the "Liquid Finish" cups that each fill with water once the wax is removed from the holes at the edges. These are pretty big aluminum cups similar in shape to P&L or the Chicago cups.

Apart from that you have to go to Mr. Star's shot glass load which after it produces the shot glass beneath the cup then goes to tip and fill the glass with your favorite beverage. I'm rather partial to this load since it won me the I.B.M contest in which I am seen here, holding the trophy. Best climax ever.

Would love to see a Lota from your work. Go for it.

E

@ Gary -- National magic co. made some sets where all three cups were lotas. They were large and clumsy. Burtini spun them.

Marvin Burger made a neat liquid loader, and so did Tim Star.

When I get back home, I'll send you some more info.

Cheer Bill, I figure to keep it like a Gazzo cup outside the inside load will be reduced a lot.

I think a loader of some kind is more practical under certain conditions. When I get back home, I'll detail some things to you.

Hey, Gary .... enough is enough .... kick out the pics and the info!

johno

Pictûres and info available @ magicpitch.co.uk

Hope this helps

kOnO

Here's a clickable link

http://www.magicpitch.co.uk

Update. Been ill with flu and mother in law has fallen down stairs while ****ed. Then again the likely hood of her falling down stairs sober is astronomically low. Any way most have their copper street devils in Animal and gazzo sizes. I'm currently half way through Bills sets. Starting crash Invaders this week . If I get away from the hospital soon. gild will happen soon. I'm just trying to find it in a large sheet as at the moment it is four times the cost of copper . I have no idea why ,I'm sure it used to be about the same. I may have to up the price on guild cups for future orders. If your on the list and not got your copper cups re email please (gary4magic@gmail.com) I do get muddled up you know. If you have solid silver cups then you have made money on them. It now costs 1250 pounds plus tax just to buy enough silver to make one set of Animals or Gazzos. That's an incredible jump in the metal price. Silver is 21 pounds an ounce but it costs way more than that in sheet form. If you want to sell a set of silver Animals or Gazzos let me know. I only made a few of each. I have a set of silver babes.
Cheers me ducks
Gary

Take your time. Recover. I have patience.

I have a set of those National Magic Lota cups---they are big and clumsy; I can't imagine hoisting them around when they are also functioning as lotas and full of water!

Glad to get my order in for those Animal Street Devils!

IMO your new Street Devils are the nicest looking set of cups that you have made to date. Well done.
MR

Hi every one, I went to a spinner in Sheffield to try and catch up with orders . Big mistake. The spinner Steve Pickering was hopeless and I told him so .I had to scrap the cups he made . He is now producing a gazzo rip off cup . One bead instead of two. All other dimensions the same. They are on ebay.co.uk. He is not a magician and knows nothing or cares less about our industry. I have bid on the cups and questions stating they are rip offs . I was hoping you would all do the same. I have all listed his company 'Steve Pickering metal spinners" on various trade sites and magic forums so anyone looking for a spinner does not go to this nasty person. To just copy someone else's life work out of spite is sickening. I'm not worried as I've seen his work.
I will now only ever spin myself trusting no other company.

How are they listed?

There is a listing on ebay.co.uk that the seller is metalspinner2011 that looks like it.

I'll check that out. I see that he also has tax disc holders that are made of aliminium or aluminum, depending on which part of his listing you read.

You will notice that he has copied the Willi Seidl shoulder bead. Also the postage is really stiff! I mailed 9 sets of cups to myself from Vienna last year and the postage was only about 20 Euros.

He spins replacement car headlights for vintage cars Bill. That would explain the tax disc holders..

This is the dilemma of every successful artist.
No one else can duplicate the original creation.
Gary has reached the wall of maximum production where the only way to grow his business
is to work around the clock.

The Japanese figured this out long ago by establishing a very effective apprentice system.
The younger generation today has no interest in this.
You would be very fortunate to find someone willing to start at the bottom with a committment to learning over time.

Hacks will come and go with sloppy shortcuts but the rip-off attempts will never succeed, - if that's any consolation.

Unfortunately, I have dealt with such scum in my professional life as well. This happens in nearly every area of manufacturing and production. My personal experience involves furniture designers who buy a competitor's item and make a few very simple changes to the existing design. (Alter the shape of the legs. Change the rake of the seatback by a few degrees. Add another row of welt, and voila! - A new design hits the market.) Of course, they sell these altered copies insisting all the while that the 'new' piece is their own design.

Unfortunately, regardless of the fact that their item is so visually similar as to easily confuse a potential customer, the cost of going after them and ‘proving’ the provenance of their inspiration isn't pragmatic, so they continue to proliferate.

Such, weak, ignorant, and lazy people will always exist. The best we can do is stand together by refusing to support their efforts.

We had a guy complain about the quality of a Porper Linking Finger ring set. When questioned it turned out he bought it at about one third of our price... and it was a rip-off copy, even the instructions, made in China. Dean Dill's Box is being sold super cheap from a maker in China.

I'm old enough to remember the Japanese merchandise that came into the States after WW II. If you had a toy automobile, you could turn it over, look at the undercarriage and see the label of the beer can it was made from. Now these toys are worth a fortune, if they still have the Made in Occupied Japan label.

It took several years for the Japanese to wake up to what would make a hit in the export market. They had the capability of making quality goods, but not the knowledge of the markets, and how to change the "beer can" image. A group of Japanese manufacturers hired him to come to Japan and teach them how to change their image and their sales techniques. If it had not been for Deming, Sony would never have become the giant it is today. There are other manufacturers and corporations who owe their very existence to William Deming.