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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
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On 2011-02-16 17:49, LobowolfXXX wrote: My rhetoric may be a little off,but that's what I was trying to say with this statement; Quote: As for saying thanks...That aligns itself with idol worship.They used to say thanks to the sun and rain,for giving them a bumper crop. And on and on and on.. Quote: Idol being the tern for false god. Ray.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I wanted to try a total vegetarian diet. Apparently, unlike cows, vegetarians enjoy legal protection. Sheesh.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Lobo knows I'm a vegetarian, but I disagree with him on this. Call me an incrementalist (!) but I see this possible path: Thanks==>Respect==>Acknowledgement of Sentient Being==>Intolerance for Abuse==>Animal Rights==> Vegetarianism.
Of course, it isn't always going to happen like this, not even some of the time. And for most giving thanks will be the end of it. But maybe, just maybe, there could be some who follow the path above.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-02-16 18:41, Ray Tupper. wrote: Your false God is someone else's real God. Your real God is someone else's false God. I give thanks to the Universe, not a personal God.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
It's a long way from Native Americans killing a buffalo, giving thanks, then using the animal in a respectful manner to make everything from tools and clothes and tents and food, to the wholesale slaughter of the entire plains bison population by men who would shoot up to a thousand per day just for the skins, leaving the carcasses rotting in the sun. Perhaps the latter were not hypocrites, but neither were they good stewards of the earth and its bounty.
It's also a long way from killing one of the chickens in the backyard for a special Sunday dinner to the massive industrialization of meat production which has occurred in the last couple of decades. My point is that even one such as I--who has no ethical qualms about the ethics of eating meat in principle--can see that this industrialization has taken place at the cost of all sensitivity to the pain and suffering of living creatures. In addition, there is just something decadent about the size of our consumption. A bucket with 20 chicken wings means the destruction of 10 chickens. Honest to God, that's something I never really paused to think about. I'm ordering the book. If it turns out I am a hypocrite, I'll try to change my ways. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 05:42, stoneunhinged wrote: Well done.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Oh well. Guess that means there's more steak left for me. Yummy!
I actually cooked a vegetarian dish for a potluck today- if you count cheese as vegetarian (some people don't.) I sometimes feel bad for my Bhuddist co-workers when we have potlucks like this and there's barely anything they can eat. I don't think I could ever be vegan. I like cheese way too much.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Not one of you cares for the suffering of the carrot? Ripped by it's roots from the very earth? For shame.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I've never heard a carrot scream in pain.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I've heard there are recordings of plants screaming when cut. Might be worth researching. Not that it matters.
This is interesting though: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/......&k=38368 In the end: Killing is killing. You're extinguishing a life no matter what. I will extinguish the one that tastes better.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Well, that's both cynical and disingenuous, don't you think? Killing is killing, so I might as well kill what suits me best? Surely you jest. Once I've committed genocide with ants, why not humans?
Logic like that won't get you A's on term papers, that's for sure. And if, in fact, carrots *did* scream in pain, and if we in fact could interpret their screams to mean, "leave us alone, we're suffering, we feel pain and raise families and have a highly developed carrot culture with music, art, and respect for carrot rights!", then I might even re-consider my position about eating carrots. I wouldn't just say, "well, heck, Mr Carrot: I eat spinach, and killing is killing, so jump into the stew my intelligent friend!" OK, so call me a softie and a sissy. |
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Bill Hilly Elite user 449 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 11:33, critter wrote: Matters to the plants I bet. I think that was in the book "The Secret Life of Plants". I remember reading about it a long time ago. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 03:27, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Warhol was wrong. Or at least figurative. Perception is not reality.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 10:16, EsnRedshirt wrote: Cheese was lagging in quality behind many of the other substitute products, but it's actually caught up pretty well. Specifically, Tofutti slices, good for sandwiches, and Daiya, which is not only flavorful (cheddar or mozzarella), but also "melty" - the big stumbling block for the fake cheeses. Since Daiya emerged as a viable and popular cheese substitute, many pizza places have offered some pretty good vegan option. Mostly independents, but the occasional chain, too. Most notably (around here) Z-Pizza, which has about 50 locations throughout California. The Tofutti slices melt reasonably well, too; I use the American for cold Sandwiches, and the mozzarella for melting over fake meatball sandwiches. Just for the curious. This a search for entries containing the word "cheese" on an outstanding vegan blog: http://www.quarrygirl.com/
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 11:33, critter wrote: Somewhere, Jeffrey Dahmer is smiling. Edit: Dang, Stone beat me to it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 12:31, stoneunhinged wrote: And yet, really devout Buddhists don't kill ants. Because they view all life as sacred. Also, historically, much of society has accepted cannibalism when there's been no other survival option. Such as the Donner Party and the Uraguayan Rugby Team. Shoot, those rugby dudes were viewed as heroes. Quote:
Logic like that won't get you A's on term papers, that's for sure. Uh... yeah it does. Got the dean's list letters to prove it. Quote:
And if, in fact, carrots *did* scream in pain, and if we in fact could interpret their screams to mean, "leave us alone, we're suffering, we feel pain and raise families and have a highly developed carrot culture with music, art, and respect for carrot rights!", then I might even re-consider my position about eating carrots. I wouldn't just say, "well, heck, Mr Carrot: I eat spinach, and killing is killing, so jump into the stew my intelligent friend!" Cows have music, art, and respect for bovine rights??? Who knew? - OK, so this obviously can't go anywhere based on a moral debate because none of us share the same moral stance and we're all set in our ways. So how about if we quantify it? What percentage of one cow is a cheeseburger? Now, How many baby carrots do I have to eat to feel as full as I do from one cheeseburger? Death to the cow! ***Edit*** Oh, and this: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1 But it's not the veg's that are hypocrites. Not at all. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If a person doesn't want to eat meat, that's their choice. But I see the crap online about how I'm a "bad person" for eating meat, while PETA is killing, what, 95% of the animals in their shelters? and I have to take offense.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Re: American Indian respect...
Can we consider the possibility that one function of respecting every life that we take is that it might make us less likely to take a life when we don't absolutely need to?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-02-17 14:11, critter wrote: There are those who walk the walk. A bonafide hero, IMHO: http://www.amazon.com/Redemption-Myth-Ov......3&sr=8-3 Why are you not a "really devout" Buddhist? That's just curiosity; not me giving you a hard time.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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