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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Hey fellow Magicians! This post is to ask you guys to post a video of a manipulation routine that fits well with the music. I'm trying to find a good song and I want to explore various genres to see which fits.
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
Search for SOMA's FISM act and his Rope act on youtube.
"Talent without passion is talent wasted.."
https://www.youtube.com/user/yinhowe80/ |
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3M New user Los Angeles, CA 59 Posts |
Look up Lance Burton's FISM act on youtube. He uses "Spring" from Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and it complements his act beautifully
Semper Magus
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2011-02-23 00:22, cardphreak wrote: I think you are going about it in the wrong way. There are some books on the this subject, and it may benefit you read their thoughts on this subject. Basically, you need a trick, sequence or act put together 1st. You should know the workings and performance of your material very well. Then it is a matter of you tastes in music, not anyone else's. Then listening to music, with our eyes closed and visualize you trick, sequence or act as the music plays. Then pick pieces or segments that fit your needs. You may only use a minute of a song out of a 3 minute song. Then edit the music to your act. I found music when there was no Internet, so I had to purchase 50 records to find 3 songs I could use. It is much easier now with the Internet, you can listen to music without shelling huge sums of cash before you buy. I wish you luck in your search, it is not easy and takes a lot of hours to find what you would like to use. If you have a friend who is into music and can help, that will be a great way to start. |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Cardphreak,
The advice and suggestions Bill is giving you are very important. Try to find some books about this. I suggest you Gary Ouellet's "The Magic and the Music" that you can get from the Camirand Academy of Magic in Canada. Vito Lupo in his old lecture notes wrote, that either the music comes first, that will get you inspired to put an act together (due to the style, theme, emotion and / or words of the songs) or you have an act already and try to define it's style, theme, plot and /or emotion and try to find a song to fit all this. Don't forget to define the character your playing in your act, who you are, where are you coming from, how old are you, what kind of cloths are you wearing. Wearing jeans wouldn't not really fit with a classical piece of music. Wearing a pinstripe suite and producing birds in a classical themed act to jazz music won't fit either. Hope you see what I mean. All has to go the ones with the others and fit perfectly Avoid the use of songs that have been used by others for their manipulation acts and don't take music that is in the actual top 10 of the charts. The audience will more likely try to find the name of the song and who's singing (enjoy the music and sing along with it) than rather concentrate on the things that happen on stage. Listen to as much music that you can, try to discover music that you don't listen to normally. The road will be long, as Bill told you already, but it's worth. Make a listing of songs you've heard and that you like, so whenever you're searching again for some music you'll have a data you can check from time to time. Good luck, Oliver. |
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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Thanks for the posts guys. I already have the act and its about 6 mins long. I definitly want to play more than one songs. I really love classic 80's rock so I was thinking maybe a song like "Gary Glitter - Rock and roll part 2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla......7M#t=19s Starting at about 20 seconds into the song and going through the second chorous. I like this song and I thought it would add with audience involvment witheveryone yelling "HEY." After that I'm really not sure what to do. During the routine I do ball manipulations to start and then a torn and restored newspaper followed be card manipulations to close the routine.
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Dan Magyari Regular user San Francisco, CA 173 Posts |
I would suggest reading all of Joanie Spina's columns in Magic Magazine over the last couple of years, and studying her critiques of others' acts very carefully. I would guess you'll learn a lot about what you are trying to accomplish.
Oh, and there was a book written by one of the Long Beach Mystics years ago on marrying music with magic, which you should hunt down. Sorry don't remember the author's name off hand.
Everything you do -- everything -- has your signature on it. Regardless of whether you intend it that way or not. And that's how people perceive you.-George Ledo
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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Oh ya I love her columns. I think it'd be better if she had multiple pages. Because she has some great tips but she has to spend a lot of the column just describing what happened in the act.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Joanie has a DVD set out that is called Get your Act Together, cost about $60.
http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/full/dvd-get......7254.htm There was a book published years ago called "Get Your Act Together - Magic and Music" by James Alburger. It discussed the whole process of combining music with magic. Ref: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ma......agic-and I have the book and it discusses the albums the Planets and how songs have tempo beats 4 and 8 count, etc. See I could not help you with your music as I like the latin flavor for magic. |
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maylor Loyal user england 231 Posts |
Is it socially acceptable to be listening to Gary Glitter these days??
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Maylor,
I don't think it's a question of socially acceptable, neither a question of listening. The music is only there to enhance the magic and the action on stage. Everything depends on the stage persona. If the music fits the stage character, the clothing, the props and the actions then it enhances the magic. Personally this version is not my cup of tea and I wouldn't even use it in a themed magic act, but if cardphreak thinks that it'll make his act feel better, than it's okay of course. Just my 2 magic cents, Oliver. |
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kosmoshiva Loyal user Canada 255 Posts |
Make sure the size of your act matches the scale (!) of the music. If it's just you onstage with small props, a full-size symphony orchestra isn't going match and may look and sound ostentatious. Or comic. A solo instrument or a solo instrument with accompaniment works best for a solo performer.
Use a vocal track (even Gary Glitter!) at your peril, for unless you are lip-synching or putting on the persona of the singer in some way, you are divorcing yourself from the music. By that I mean you are clearly not the source of it. A singer is the human embodiment/focus of a song and you are automatically in competition with that persona. You are performing TO the music, not WITH the music; a subtle but essential difference. Look at Sean Farquhar's Shape of My Heart as a brilliant example of where the vocal IS SUPPORTED by the magic. One day, someone will perform to Also Sprach Zarathustra played on a penny whistle. Can't wait.
Don't forget to breathe.
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JamesinLA Inner circle Los Angeles 3400 Posts |
Very good points! Thanks.
Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Sorry I should have been more clear. I would actually be an instrumental version of that song. I'm in the school pep-band and we came out with a CD it happens to have that song. I'm also thinking about using "Journey - Wheel in the sky." But after what was said about the vocals I'm not sure. Any thoughts?
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Kosmoshiva's points avre very valuable.
cardphreak, I think that you should tell us a little bit more about your stage personna, character, age, costume, props and the stage set...so we could maybe give you a little bit more help to bring you in the right direction of music you may look for ? Seeing your song choice it seems you like a lot of rock music, but does this kind of music connects with your stage personna, your clothing... Personally I'm having a lot of difficulty imagine this kind of music for a manipulation act with balls, torn and restored newspaper... Maybe you should look for another style of music for this act...? I don't know myself but those are just my feelings and opinions. Oliver. |
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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Well I where a red dress shirt with black dress pants. I'm 15 years old. I do a lot of comedy type patter with the non-music tricks. I use mostly household objects for my tricks such as coffee cups for my cups and balls. I'd be happy to explore other music styles.
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maylor Loyal user england 231 Posts |
I was just referring to the fact that Gary Glitter is now a convicted peodophile. Thus, is it really appropriate to perform an act to his music?
Just a thought. |
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cardphreak New user orange county CA 54 Posts |
Oh I didn't know he was a pedifile. Would you play eye of the tiger though? Hes also a convicted pedifile.
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Cardphreak,
Do you have a stage set (decoration), do you use a stand or a table for your props ? If yes what do they look like. I still have no idea what kind of music will do. What is the purpose of your act you need the music. What is the climax of this act. I forgot to tell you aswell, that you should have a look at soundtracks from movies you like and listen to the music used on TV for advertising. Thanks. Oliver. |
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
The question of whether to let the magic guide the music or the music guide the magic reminds me of the classic question put to songwriting teams like Rodgers and Hammerstein and Lerner and Lowe: "Which comes first--the music or the lyrics?" The answer was usually that there is no set rule. Sometimes the music comes first, sometimes the words--and sometimes they evolve together. My favorite metaphor for a "collaboration" like that is the "Yin/Yang" monad symbol:
http://www.yin-und-yang-wellness.de/images/yin_yang.jpg I have attached here a scan of a yin/yang graphic I came up with to express the dichotomy between tragedy and comedy in theater. Keep in mind that even in Shakepeare's _Macbeth_ and _Hamlet_, the Bard saw the need to balance the heavy tragedy with moments of comic relief. In many of the vignettes that David Copperfield and Company put together for some of his early TV specials, obviously the music came first, as in the "Attic" vignette with Barry Manilow's "Time in New England" and in the restaurant/dancing handkerchief vignette with Sinatra's "All the Way." But it is a credit to Copperfield and his team that the music and the magic meld so perfectly. (I know in his later specials David got away from the vignette motif, but if anyone were ever to put together a magic version of "That's Entertainment" (hint to Andrew Solt Productions maybe), I think the vignettes would be more appropriate than things like "Walking Through the Great Wall of China." The latter was great mystery, but I think it would come in second to the vignettes as great entertainment. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez P.S. The following quote/anecdote is from http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/Ol--man-author-3972 The famous Hammerstein story is the one where Mrs. Jerome Kern and Mrs. Oscar Hammerstein are attending a luncheon party. Making the introductions, the hostess says, “Mrs. Kern’s husband wrote ‘Ol’ Man River,’” at which point Mrs. Hammerstein interjects: “My husband wrote ‘Ol’ Man River.’ Mrs. Kern’s husband wrote ‘Da-da dee-da.’” Click here to view attached image.
----- Sonny Narvaez
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