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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
For some background, I used to be the one who performed the parties. He has a room with games etc. The party is 1 1/2 hours the show is 20 min. We've had people glad to do the party and others who would rather everything be at their home. My show is around $125 (also what my father charges for an out show)
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
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On 2011-03-06 17:26, Starrpower wrote: I agree, that is a major opportunity to build something larger than what it is. |
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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
Maybe I'm missing something, he can raise his prices, but is that what people are insinuating? What does this have to do with me?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Oh boy
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
This creates many possibilities and opportunities here. Being the only game in town has it's distinct advantages. Maybe you should be shifting your focus from what you don't have, to rather what you do have to work with. The term "big fish in a small pond" comes to mind. Can give you something called control.
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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
Maybe I'm missing the point, sorry for being dense. Are you saying I should offer other things with my show to compete with my dads party room?
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
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On 2011-03-06 19:15, Kameron Messmer wrote: Yes it is technically your father's party room. But, you could use that as an opportunity to combine forces and become a large attraction, beyond just doing shows under $200. You do not need to be in competition with anyone if you are practically the only entertainers in the state. Beyond that, if you are the only entertainers in the state then your value far exceeds $145. You are the only people who can give a form of entertainment that is embedded in our society. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-03-06 18:42, Mindpro wrote: Yea my donkey said the same thing. I agree with you both. I am once again outtta ere.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Kameron
If you offer a finer party, with a PA system, illusions, balloons, offer pictures, face painting, and a back drop I think that you should be able to take home a larger amount of Billings, Mt entertainment dollars. Make the whole game room experience more special. What a great venue for some BOR.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Read this slowly and carefully so that you absorb the ideas and information. I’m packing in a lot and covering a lot of ground. I’m doing this because of your PM to me.
If your main “completion” is your father, you each agree what fair prices are for each of you, and for each category of shows you offer. As an example he may charge more than you for a corporate gig because of perhaps his image, you may charge more than him for a children’s show because of your youth for instance. He agrees to specialize and mainly focus on a few of the markets in your area (state), you agree to specialize on a few other markets in your area, depending upon your differently styles, effects, and background. Do not price fix which is very much against the law. You each set up your own individual fee schedules, marketing plans, areas of concentration, and compare notes, not to charge the same at all, but to be sure you are not undercutting each other badly, that you are both growing your businesses and that you each have your niche. Tandem business plans for growth and exposure. In other words you respect one another as family, and play fair, but you also realize each is the other’s direct completion, so you must offer different things to different people and not undercut by price. This will allow you both to move ahead with your marketing, quality, and fees. Don’t do the same things for the same types of people, invent, originate, be different, be creative, be quality, be professional, be totally unique, you both need to work at this. From visiting his website, I could say many of the same things I’ve said about yours. You are both far from the mark as far as putting out an original, unique, quality, professional image, but you both can work (even together) at upgrading your sites and other marketing materials. It seems overall the apple does not fall far from the tree, so the apple has to plant itself and blossom into another younger tree, or sit on the ground and do what apples do. That’s what I think anyway. Magic is a mindset, if you think things are tough and there is no business, that will be true, if you think of a whole state with varied individuals, families, businesses, corporations, social groups, fraternal and nonprofit organizations, churches, and recreational centers, suddenly there is more than enough opportunity for everybody. |
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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
Very good advice Spell. I will have to read this a few times and mull it over...
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
This thread rocks...
I started on page 1 and saw a normal "ask for advice and then get defensive" Café fight... Then page two included references to donkeys and other animals. Skipped to page 5 and it involved the OP's dad, wow! lol I'm out before I even get started! Thanks for the good times tho... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
My donkey got mentioned as a highlight! COOL!!!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Thom Bliss Loyal user Southern California 271 Posts |
Kameron,
The best way to increase the value of your performances is to actually perform for real audiences. Yes, you need to practice, practice, practice, then rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. But the only way to see which tricks, patter, presentations, work for real audiences is to try them in front of real audiences. And the way to get more actual performance time is to get people to hire you - or at least allow you to work for free. That’s why having first class promotional materials is so important. Somebody said that your main competition is your father - and I guess in a way that might be true. You two seem to be the only “go to” guys in your area if somebody wants to hire a magician. The real problem might be convincing people that they want to hire a magician. I suspect that just about anybody in my neck of the woods who can afford to do so (and many who can’t), hire some kind of outside entertainment for children’s parties and even adult parties. This, I’m sure, is at least partly because of the efforts of my predecessors and competitors. Every year several people tell me that they need a magician for their kid’s party because their kid saw a magician at some other kid’s party. I suspect that most people in your neck of the woods don’t see the advantages of hiring a professional to entertain their guests - young or old. If they did, both you and your father would be very busy performing. You first need to convince them that they need an outside entertainer, then convince them that you’re the one. Perhaps I should add that even well-established companies with well-established products still spend a great deal of time and money trying to convince people that they need a product like theirs. For example, the “you deserve a break” ads from McDonalds. First they try to convince you to get off your duff or out of the kitchen and buy a burger. (“Gee, they’re right, I do want something to eat. No, I don’t just want something to eat; I deserve it.”) Some of those people will go McDonalds to eat, some will go elsewhere, but presumably McDonalds was increasing their own business even if they were also increasing their competitors. Or think about the ads for cars. Ads for pick-up trucks don’t just try to convince you that their truck is the best, they also try to convince you that you need a pick-up; similarly with sports cars, fuel-economy cars, etc. Thom . |
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts |
Quote: On 2011-02-28 13:48, TomBoleware wrote:
Curtis Lovell II
http://www.CurtisLovell.com http://www.MagicofCurtis.com www.facebook.com/curtislovellii Los Angeles, California - U.S.A. |
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RPAYNE40S New user 44 Posts |
So if you are worth it, do you prefer an agent to seem more worth it?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
How does an agent make it seem more worth it?
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knick23 New user Wales 83 Posts |
I've read page 1 and skipped to here, so don't kill me for repetition if that is the case, anyway...In essence I believe that success comes from doing what you love and finding your passion in it, the rest will follow naturally. This is such a reoccuring theme with so many successfull performers who I have studied over the years. I remember something Brian Eno (record producer/musician/artist) wrote in his diaries that went along the lines that if he had tried to make money he'd probably still be broke, it was the pursuit of what he loved doing, despite how apparently 'unprofitable' it seemed, that eventually made him a 'success'. People respond to and can recognise genuine passion when they see it. You need to have faith in what your passion is and if it's something you geuinely enjoy doing you will be rewarded.
Oh, and the other thing you need are patent leather shoes. |
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