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Lord Anacho
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Anyone know of a video performance of Scarne's routine? I don't need no tutorial, heaven forbid. I have the book. I just want to see it in action to get the 'Gestalt' of the routine. Especially the production of the first ball puzzles me. According to instructions and photo's, Scarne just grabes the ball from right hand finger palm postition with left thumb and forefinger, pushes it across the right fingers up to the right thumb and right index finger and displays it. How is that magical?
When I try to do that, it just looks like what it is. Grabbing a ball out of the right hand and displaying it.

I really would like to see that view in action, so I can see what it's supposed to look like to the audience.

Ciao for now

Erik
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I love Stars of Magic. However, Scarne's routine is not that good. I would recommend David Roth's 3 ball trick which was sold as a manuscript and is superior to the Scarne routine IMO.

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I actually prefer the Scarne routine. Here's what one nut-job worked out after reading some magic books.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jq0sIIb3q4

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That "nut-job" sure has a nice clean tight and interesting routine. Way to go, Kent. Thanks for sharing.

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I too love the Roth routine. I prefer his method (one that others have used as well.)

Or you could go the Kent Gunn route and hide an Oompa Loompa in your pocket.

Did I spell that right?
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I spoke with my pocket pal, his name is Benji. He says you've spelled it just right.
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Phew. He sure does good work. I know I've become obsessed with mine.
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If I remember rightly the Scarne routine starts out and ends with ash in the ashtray, so the magical production is turning ash into the first ball...
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Hmmm.... As I recall, the Charlie Sheen routine starts with white powder.
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On 2011-03-06 11:03, Tim Dowd wrote:
If I remember rightly the Scarne routine starts out and ends with ash in the ashtray, so the magical production is turning ash into the first ball...


That is correct. It's not the story that I am puzzled about. It's the first move.

The first ball is in finger palm between 3rd and 4th finger of the right hand. The left hand pinches some ashes. That's photo no. 1.
Then (I'll quote from the text).
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Left hand 1st finger shows ashes, and as both hands come together Left Hand Thumb and First Finger (photo no. 2) slide ball diagonally across fingers of Right Hand so that ball coms in view at tips of Thumb and First Finger of both hands (Photo no. 3). Ball is immediately turned a few times by Thumbs and First Fingers of both Hands; ...


So my question remains. How is this magical? When I do it it just looks like what it really is. I take a hidden ball from between my fingers and display it.

Ciao for now

Erik
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Erik, I have a suggestion. Borrow a video camera and film your performance of the routine with the balls. Then film your performance of the routines without the balls. If you compare the two videos, you will find your answer.
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Erik, I think you have to perform this move with some speed. The ball should pop into view, kind of like a coin production. The twisting action should cover the grasping of the ball.

Hope this helps,
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Hi Erik, you are right... if you don't think it is magical then you cannot "sell" the effect to others. You really have to believe that what you are doing is turning ash (or white Charlie Sheen powder, thanks Pete Smile) into a little ball then everyone else will too. Try reacting as if it just appeared and that sells the move.

What I wanted to say was what Harold is suggesting, from your point of view it is not magical... but from another point of view it is very magical.
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Erik, if you don't like the way Scarne gets into his ball routine, then why not change it. Produce that first ball another way, there are many methods to do it.
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One other way is described in Marlo's Silver Spheres routine from the "Arcade Dreams" book.
He describes using a coin move by Milt Kort in "Modern Coin Magic" p.130.
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On 2011-03-07 19:17, Magic.J.Manuel wrote:
One other way is described in Marlo's Silver Spheres routine from the "Arcade Dreams" book.
He describes using a coin move by Milt Kort in "Modern Coin Magic" p.130.


This is a variation of the L'Homme Masque coin load which is one of a number of methods which would work just fine.
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Aldo Colombini tips some nice work in this area at the start of his Get the Ball Rolling routine.
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Lou Serrano has a nice standing three steel balls routine.
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The magic is meant to be created when the ball appears between the fingers of the right hand at the instant that it contacts the ash in the left fingers. You will see this look like magic when you watch David Roth do this in his routine. At the begining he reaches to the far corner and produces a ball. It looks as though he peuled it from where he was reaching, not from his finger palm, Sorry! f**g** p*lm.

It also is perhaps the first use of the larger movement covering the smaller movement. What you should probably focus on is what your going to do with the ball once you've taken it from the left fingers. Either move it to your eyes to look closely at it or place it on the table. Don't just leave the right hand at the left.

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Some clarification

When I said: it's not magical, I didn't imply any criticism on Mr. Scarne! heaven forbid! No, I just would like to see someone perform this first production so that I can get a feel of the 'Gestalt' of the sleight (as Roberto Giobbi would call it).

I am utterly convinced that it can be made magical with the modus operandi described in the Stars of Magic. I just want to see it been done by someone.

I agree with Tom Dowd. You have to believe in your own magic to sell it. But I still need to see it done. Not to mimic it, just to get a feel for it. Then I can work on my own handling of it

But so far, thanks for the great reactions!

Ciao for now
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