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On 2011-03-05 23:58, MagicSanta wrote:
I really cannot see how anyone would be for socialism in this day and age. It doesn't work, it is a failed system. China, the great last stand of communism, is succeeding due to capitalism and I bet they are torn between loving it and hating it.


The last great stand of communism isn't China; it's American college campuses. It's most ardent supporters have one unifying characteristic - They haven't lived under it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Didn't you go to college? That's it! You're on my list now, red!
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Money is democracy. Them that have the gold make the rules.
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On 2011-03-06 10:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea but the little toe in the water dealio that has been the past few years has set the idea back for some time. WAIT till the health care bill comes due and see how many want to keep going at it.

There are some like Payne who are ideologues who won't be persuaded no matter what evidence is mounted up, then cherry pick statistics and quote mine to prove some unprovable point. The simple fact is that it is a failed system and it is always doomed to fail.

Put any name you want on it, but America has been a world leader for quite some time. Will it last? Who knows. My first thought is no. Nothing lasts forever. Are her best days behind us? I personally doubt it.

Norman Thomas once said that the American people would never vote for socialism, but under the name of liberalism they would adopt every fragment of the socialist program. This was a guy who ran for president 6 times, and said it sometime like 1926 or so. He has been sort of proven right hasn't he?

And why not? I mean the way it is all so cleverly framed. "We are for the worker!". Yea great but how do you go about it? Clean water, the environment and yada yada yada it is all framed so nice, but look at the implimentation and what is given up to see why it is dangerous. They count on people only listening to sound bites and not looking any further into facts.

I think things will swing back now, but who knows?


In spite of his opinions of me, I quite often agree with Danny.

The only thing I don't agree with here is that it will really swing back. Maybe from the "left" implemented socialism, but the right socializes plenty themselves.
Even if it does swing back from that, I don't think america, or economies in general, including canada Smile will be getting much better anytime soon.


Yea I have to agree mostly that when in power in too large of numbers, each side right/left does tend to try to "socalize" (for lack of a better term.) as much as they can.
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On 2011-03-06 20:07, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2011-03-05 23:58, MagicSanta wrote:
I really cannot see how anyone would be for socialism in this day and age. It doesn't work, it is a failed system. China, the great last stand of communism, is succeeding due to capitalism and I bet they are torn between loving it and hating it.


The last great stand of communism isn't China; it's American college campuses. It's most ardent supporters have one unifying characteristic - They haven't lived under it.

I guess you could say the exact same thing about democracy. Smile
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Actually since democracies and republics have a far better track record than the socialist or their big brother the communist then I guess it has worked out better.
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I'm gonna' go on the record as saying that I love America. Are we perfect? Nothing is, but we're a *** good country with a lot of *** good people.
And we have the world's largest frying pan so **** you, France.
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That was beautiful Critter. Be nice to France, someone may accuse you of being anti Islam.
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On 2011-03-06 22:30, MagicSanta wrote:
That was beautiful Critter. Be nice to France, someone may accuse you of being anti Islam.


Has France declared itself an Islamic republic?
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Yes they have! For 20 years now. Sharia law is going to be the new EU policy soon.
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On 2011-03-06 22:22, MagicSanta wrote:
Actually since democracies and republics have a far better track record than the socialist or their big brother the communist then I guess it has worked out better.

Echoing Lobowolf's original line, I was implying that democracy's supporters have never lived under it either, 'cause it doesn't exist as a governmental form.
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That is true....see folks? Communication is the key....
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Yea we are a represenative republic. Many confuse that with true democracy. I think the last true democratic vote was "Crucify Christ".

Not trying to start a religious war, just showing what true democracy is. (No it is not a perfect example, and maybe not actually the last one.)
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