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houstonmagic New user 17 Posts |
I am getting better at doing a perfect faro shuffle. Several tricks I would like to do require doing two perfect faros. My question is what do you do when you see the faro isn't perfect? Obviously you can separate the cards and do it again, but that does not seem very professional. Thanks for any help.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Back up the cards and continue with the faro.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
You can usually tell after the initial weave that they aren't perfect. This occurs well before you really start pushing them together. If you unweave them, and start over again it really isn't noticable. Another option is to execute a false faro shuffle. I haven't used this procedure often but the couple of times I have it has shown useful.
The actual technique I use is very likely not original but I haven't read it anywhere either. Marlo had a number of items regarding what to do when the faro isn't perfect but that might be an incorrect recollection.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
As has been mentioned, you'll know if it's "perfect" before you get far enough into it that a "back up" should go unnoticed!
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Chris Westfall Loyal user Toronto, Canada 252 Posts |
Sometimes if you have trouble hitting a faro shuffle you can turn the cards around and start again, its been told to me that its sometimes could have something to do with the cut of the cards....not sure if this is true but its been known to work for me.
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SlipperyPete Loyal user 218 Posts |
Back up and act like your nose is itching, scratch it (not pick it!!!) and start again
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Push through, strip out, abandon and do something else.
as for re-doing the weave after seeing that you missed it, I recently saw someone do this, and with maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of his faro's over two performances. it was far from imperceptible. however, that he was plainly trying to get something right wasn't incongruous with his subsequently dealing out whatever astonishing hands were the climax. while some might prefer the pure astonishment of a bunch of royal flushes arising from unmotivated shuffles, not a great deal is lost, if anything, when the performer is overt about it being a quite specific skill, and deliberately attending to the shuffle. by contrast, the same performer did lose a little credibility and pay-off by getting to a couple of classic force disputes with strong-minded spectators. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
How about practicing a bit more.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Here's another tip...
When I mess up the faro, it is rarely because the weave itself fails. More commonly it is because I split the deck at 25/27 or 27/25 instead of 26/26. This obviously is not a perfect faro and would need to be corrected. For many effects it may not matter, but if a perfect faro is required then it is not acceptable. To reduce the frequency of this, I split the deck slightly at first and look at both halves. I've now gotten pretty good at determining when I'm off in one direction and can adjust those cards before my hands separate. So as far as the spectator is concerned I'm just dividing the deck in half, but actually I've been able to make the adjustment before weaving the cards together only to find out that my count was off. When I've seen performers like R.E. describe, it is usually because they are trusting that they divided at 26 and then essentially do a faro check to make sure that they did it right. If not, they put the halves back together and start over. That is the situation to avoid above all else I think. Once those halves separate, they should stay separate until shuffled together.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
And yet Alan Iverson had a perfect faro; weird.
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Chris Bruce Loyal user Canada 213 Posts |
Hi houstonmagic,
Homer Liawag has a great soloution for the problem of an imperfect shuffle and/or split. Check out Mike Close's most recent DVDs for the details. As you stated in your original post, what you don't want to do is to sit there and rock the ends back and forth. Also, a great way to build your confidence with the faro is to learn a trick with key cards at the splits built in it, then if you don't think you have the split at 26 you can check to make sure. Hope all that makes sense. Chris |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Great suggestion re key card. faro and classic force are best practiced with real spectators, but also with an out
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
If you sometimes weave imperfectly, there are three solutions.
1. Use appropriate deck of cards. (Alex Elmsley teaches treatment for the deck). 2. Learn from good teacher like Elmsley. 3. Practice well. Hideo Kato PS Reading the OP'S first post, I guess he is not talking about un-even cut. If un-even cut is a problem for him, of course advices so far are helpful, and there are adjusting method after un-even Faro. After 25-27 Faro, you need to shift only one card in most cases. But I don't know if such ploy works for him as I don't know the context of the trick in question. |
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MortenN Veteran user Norway 338 Posts |
Do a false faro shuffle.
I also wonder what tricks you do two perfect faro? Just curious, is there anything we've missed? |
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houstonmagic New user 17 Posts |
I am working on "Combination Aces" in Loryane's clasic col. vol 2. The trick is based on Vernon's Aces with contributions from Ortiz. It requires two perfect "in" faros and the deck cut exactlly in half.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Combination Aces is a fine effect, that goes without saying. But, you may want to check out my handling of Vernon's Aces in The Classic Collection, Vol. 1. Because - you don't have to cut an exact number of cards in each tabled pile; the aces are lost into each pile more "naturally," and more to this particular point - only one faro is necessary. It's just much faster, easier, etc. Check it out. HL.
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Robmonster Elite user 455 Posts |
My ongoing problem with faros is that I get cards that stubbornly refuse to weave, i.e. two cards that want to go together no matter how many times I try the 'rock-back-and-fourth' method.
It is so frustrating when I know I have hit the 26/26 cut but still cannot get them to weave neatly. Rob |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Same here. but when it works, there's such a perfection of both feeling and sound that all the failure is worthwhile. the cards really do melt into one another, with what seems like substantially greater energy than your hands have supplied, but at the perfect fast, but un-rushed, pace. and there's the faint, confirming frrrrrrrripppp sound. it's like a line of marines in formal dress flawlessly executing a sequence of bringing their rifles to their shoulders. even when you're just one card off, it's all slightly dissonant; something feels off, sounds off. . . when you nail it, though, the satisfaction bleeds into subsequent routines. you're more in touch with the the fact of 52 separate cards, as opposed to just a singular "deck," and that heightened awareness can translate to a greater command of nuance and detail. I'm not particularly good at the faro, and recognize the silliness of drawing parable, metaphor and Ultimate Meaning from it. still, I'll chase the sensation of getting it right forever.
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jpleddington Loyal user Lewisburg, PA 294 Posts |
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On 2011-03-08 13:01, R.E. Byrnes wrote: This is inspiring stuff! I'm a developing cardician and haven't started learning to faro yet, but this makes me look forward to it. Cheers, Jason
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
I don't know but I don't have any sounds when I do the faro (when weaving).I think it means that the cards don't weave smoothly. And I have noticed that if you get 2 cards together in the middle and they refuse to weave you can turn the deck around and it should work.
Please watch my faro practice video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w61E5XxNH8 |
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