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odroj88
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I would love to perform the cups and balls more often but have only performed a routine similar to Michael Ammar's a few times because I have yet to discover a small ball vanish that I like other than the French Drop, which is impractical in many situations.

The reason why I like Michael's routine is because it requires a minimal amount of small ball vanishes other than using the wand, which I think is a great aid in vanishing the balls.

Do you know of any books or videos that teach good techniques for vanishing a small ball. Thanks a lot in advance.
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The Ammar Cups and balls videos (2 of them) have a variety of ball vanishes, including ones such as the wand spin. Smile
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Here is a *very* good link:

http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/
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Try using a vanish similar to a ball pass, typically used in spongeball routines. It's a type of retention vanish. I've even modified the action slightly, so that I could appear to push the ball visibly through the bottom of the cup - it floors laymen!

I like Patrick Page's Cups and Balls routine. I found it on an IMS tape that I bought at a magic club auction. The vanishes are natural and the routine has a plot that is easy to remember.
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There is a vanish for small objects called the Schneider Basic Vanish. This was outlined in a copy of Genii Magazine last year. Not sure which issue, but I believe it was part of a series of articles on this sleight.

There is also a good explaination of the vanish as well as the entire C&B routine in a series to be released by L&L. Unfortunately that won't be out until after January of 2004.

Still, the sleight as outlined in Genii is plenty good to give you the basics of this great retention type vanish. It also places the ball in perfect position for loading into a cup as part of the action of lifting it up or tilting it to the side.
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On 2003-08-04 23:27, Frank Tougas wrote:
There is a vanish for small objects called the Schneider Basic Vanish.
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In fact, my previous post contains the link to Al Schneider site, you get the reasoning behind the vanish, the video, and a whole lot more...
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Jonathan Townsend
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I've published one such vanish.
And can recomend having a look at the Ramsay cups routine for ideas.
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Jon,
where have you published your vanish? I'd love to see it but I can't find a reference to it. As for the Ramsay routine I have found a reference here:

http://magicref.tripod.com/magref/magcups.htm

and will definitely try to get the book!
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Jonathan Townsend
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Hello Alessandro (et al)
Some of the Ramsay moves are in the Galloway book "The Ramsay Legend". The cups routine is in the Farelli book from 1948, Galloway's book "The Ramsay Classics" on his new videos, and may even be reprinted sometime soon.
The ball vanish I devised was published in Apocalypse somewhere around 1985. It was devised to save a couple of motions in the Ramsay routine while getting a good retention for those who happen to be watching the transfer. It works well for small sponge balls, dice etc. It too may be reprinted sometime soon.
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odroj88
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Thanks a lot to all who replied your information was extremely helpful. I am definitely going to look into both the Ramsey and Schenider techniques. Once again, thanks alot.
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I have a copy of the Ramsay Legend. If someone wishes to purchase it... pm me.
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If you don't like the transfer vanish, then you might like to look into John Mendozas "The Mendozza Cups & balls" routine which uses the chop cup combo set to eliminate the transfer vanish completely.
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Where can I find Pat Page's Routine.
Colonel Clark
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Bruno Copin's "Crazy Ball" demonstrates a very unique and amazing way to vanish a ball (and make it reappear). Not too easy to find his DVD, however.
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This is one of those things that Copin likes to do where he takes two things that really don't go together well and puts them together so they will work in a limited environment. Most of Copin's material is practical ONLY if you are seated and you have your own close-up mat to work with. It is also usually very expensive considering what you get.
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I like (and use) Brad Burt's "roll vanish". This vanish appears to be similar to, or inspired by the John Scarne vanish from "Stars of Magic".
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Bob White's DVD on the cups has superior instructions on the move. Bob does as well as any magician who's ever drawn a breath.

Many routines eschew the hand-to-hand transfer. My favorite routine uses it just once, and only as homage to those who have come before.

Get Al Schneider's new book. I'm serious. His words will teach you how to do all sorts of sleight-of-hand. He actually gives you a path to follow and how to improve.

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The Al Schneider book is tops. Mine came yesterday. I'm glad I got it. You need to read the whole section of cups and balls moves. You also need to understand the things about the balls that Al understands.
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Mine came today. I've always liked his thinking. This book leaves nothing out! I was really interested in his first five chapters on magic theory and thinking. I was somewhat disappointed when each chapter was just a couple of pages. The rest of the book made up for it though. It's probably one of the best buys in magic today.
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Waiting to get mine- I have his DVD set I lean something every time I view them.
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