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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
You support people testing their drugs and foods rather than have an agency ensure they are clean? You are a real close the gate after the cows are out guy.
When people buy medication there is an expectation that it is correct and properly made. When people purchase milk there is an expectation that it is clean and disease free. When people buy hamburger they do so with the expectation that the processing plant had clean equipment and the meat is safe. When people buy vegetables they expect that by washing them off they are good to go not that bacteria from some guy pooping on the ramp will kill them later. I swear, I've been around the world and have met CEOs and world leaders, janitors, and ditch diggers and you are the ONLY one I've ever met that is against product safety regulations being enforced by inspections and product testing by official agencies. My wife is a special case, she obsesses on her medication. If she calls the pharmacy and they say "it is just a different manufacturer" she takes them, she isn't using a lab to verify if the content is correct. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Santa, I WAS talking about "agencies" testing. Hence why I mentioned it being a business opportunity.
I'm just against a single coercive monopoly in charge of it all.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Ohhh....I'm sorry. You want the govt to stop testing and to hire contractors to do the testing. That will be cost effective and make a whole lot more sense. In fact we can hire a few hundred people to regulate the contractors who do the testing and then have inspectors inspect the contract inspectors to make sure they are following the inspection procedures. We will do those inspections, I suppose, violently, because that is the way all inspections are done by the govt. Say, you are a darn bright fellow Glenn, have you considered a career in the fast food arts?
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Seriously, do you go out of your way to come up with these contrived interpretations?
I'm not talking about the govt hiring contractors. I'm talking about simply opening it up to the market. Competition means pharmacies would only be buying drugs approved by companies they trust. If a drug manufacturer wants pharmacies business will have to get their drugs approved by the company the pharmacy approves of. Lobbying would be a fraction of the problem it is now as if a company started giving passed to dangerous drugs, then pharmacies won't trust them. The same way, when someone gets bad food from a restaurant, they stop going there. With the fda, there is no alternative for places if the fda is being swayed by lobbying.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2011-03-11 19:44, gdw wrote: You don't even fully read anyone's posts do you? It would seem that you don't. If you did fully read what I said I didn't say you had said that. I think your track is getting shorter by the second now. I was however bringing up a point that is also true. The point being with the as you would want self regulation. There is no way that a store could tell if they are getting medication that is safe or not. Get it?......... No? Even if the stores hired companies to test the medication for them. There is still a problem with that. I'm sure you won't get that either. I could get into details but I would be better off explaining it to my parents dog. At least she's not going to come up with an off the wall reply. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I'm sorry, there's "no" way they could tell if it was safe?
RS, sometimes you come across very well spoken, and clear minded, and other times you seem hardly able to structure a sentence, and perpetually willfully ignorant.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Back to the excuse of covering r&d costs, this case with makena is an example where that is CLEARLY not the issue.
This drug had been on the market for 50 years. There was no r&d costs to recoup. Any costs the company has endured would have been directly related to trying to get the monopoly from the fda. So, what possible reason is there for this case?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Glenn, you dance around a subject so much I'm surprised Michael isn't outside your house pining away.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
Yes that is what I said. With your very flawed view and way of things it would be very difficult for them to know for sure if what they were getting was the proper dosage, safe etc... Again you just don't get it. Sadly you may never get life.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
RS, you are making no sense. If they can't possible know those things with independent testing, how the hell do they know with the fda?
And Santa, dancing around, I was bringing the discussion back to the original story/issue. The price increase due to the fda granted monopoly, justified by the idea of recouping r&d costs, which the company in question did not have to pay in the first place. Speaking of r&d costs, they are apparently a fraction of what drug companies try to tell us they are. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/life/health......e=mobile
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
I was right it would be better to discuss this with the dog.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Glenn, you don't answer direct questions, you claim to be misunderstood, you don't have realistic alternatives...I love ya kid but ***.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Santa, I say one thing, you describe something different and demand an example. I'm not avoiding answering direct questions, I'm avoiding deliberate misrepresentations of what I say.
As for claiming I was misunderstood, I actually said I was not communicating clearly. The difference is putting the onus on my self. At the time it was really to avoid accusing you and RS of deliberately creating straw man claims. I was attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you payed attention, you should have noticed that this was relatively short lived. Though I do admit, and accept, that I am not the best at communicating my ideas, I have not been using it as an excuse. Your continued claims that I seem to be doing otherwise would go against my previous attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-03-11 23:15, RS1963 wrote: Well considering you haven't explained anything, only made unbacked assertions, your "discussion" skills are severely lacking.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2011-03-11 23:46, gdw wrote: I rest my case. You make it too easy for others to win Glenn. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Glenn I am afraid you can not change the rules because you ain't got the gold.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-03-12 00:05, RS1963 wrote: Man you are laughable. You claimed that without the fda it would be impossible for people to know anything about their drugs, without giving any explanation. If they can't know anything from independent researchers and testers, then how is the fda any different? With no explanation, your statement is no more founded than saying WITH the fda people can't know anything about their drugs.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Hey, 60 minutes is going to have a show on counterfiet prescriptions this Sunday!
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
That's cool santa I wonder if they can get 60 mins up there in can a duh.
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