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I recently bought a CSB and OXF in Morgan dollars from Schoolcraft Precision and absolutely love the sets! The question I have is if I take the [ off the OXF and place it over the CSB will this work as a Cerberus? The s***l c***rs about 80% over the CSB and the head and tail match perfect.

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Don't know the answer to your question but those coins are NICE!
Almost makes me want to be British.
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Nice coins! Are the copper and brass coins in both sets the same coin type? What are the names of those two coins?
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Those are indeed *beautiful* coins. And I'm just a little embarrassed to admit I don't know what they are either. -)

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On 2011-03-12 00:31, jazzy snazzy wrote:
Don't know the answer to your question but those coins are NICE!
Almost makes me want to be British.


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On 2011-03-12 11:51, kcquinn50 wrote:
Nice coins! Are the copper and brass coins in both sets the same coin type? What are the names of those two coins?


Thx!! The top two copper and brass coins are the CSB the bottom two are the extra coins for the set with the same tails as the top. The Morgan is the E* [ from OXF. All I know about the coins is what they say on them. The parts that are blocked by the light on the brass tail says "FIDEI DEFENS INDIAE."
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Wow - nice coins! Did you get those through his new site or was that a custom build? The only CSB sets I saw were with what looked like newer morgans. I'd love to get one like that!
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I believe both coins are Crowns (5 shillings).

FIDEI DEFENS means Defender of the Faith
IMDIAE IMPERAT means Emperor/Empress of India

If you are interested, on the other side "VICTORIA DEI GRA BRITT REGINA F: D: IND IMP" means: Victoria by the Grace of God, Queen of the British territories, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India.

I believe the Victoria Coin (on the right) is a British Crown for use in Great Britain.

The coin on the left says "Australia" on it so it makes sense that it would be minted for use in Australia, but I couldn't find a 1901 Edward VII crown for Australia with a quick google search.

Where ever they are from, they are beautiful and the one in the left is perfectly toned.

Todd L. also uses a lot of Crowns for his sets.

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Wow - nice coins! Did you get those through his new site or was that a custom build? The only CSB sets I saw were with what looked like newer morgans. I'd love to get one like that!


Thx! I called to see if he could make me a CSB with solid brass coin and he sent me photos of those copper and brass coins. It took just over a month, but I am very pleased!
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To answer your question, Yes it would basically work as a Cerebus coin. The one huge disadvantage is the coverage, as you've pointed out. The Cerebus appears as one regular silver dollar, there is 100% coverage from the shell. Also, Todd does a little something extra to the edge of the second shell so you can show the nested set freely front and back without different colored metals showing.

What's even better about having the Cerebus being completely flat is you can then add your expanded shell to it giving crazy possibilities.
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I think that if you want a Cerberus Coin, then Just buy one from Todd Lassen. don't try to rip off his hard work just becuase its Cheaper to use someone else's gaffs. I think there is a respect that Todd should get for putting in the time to create the Cerberus gimmick, and I personally don't believe his work should be belittled simply because "its cheaper."
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I didn't mean that to come out as a shot against the poster of this topic. But Todd invented the gimmick so he deserves the credit and monetary rewards that come with it. Im not being biased because I have a Deans set from Jaime and its wonderful, but I think as magicians we need to keep integrity.
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On 2011-03-13 18:58, prototype wrote:
To answer your question, Yes it would basically work as a Cerebus coin. The one huge disadvantage is the coverage, as you've pointed out. The Cerebus appears as one regular silver dollar, there is 100% coverage from the shell. Also, Todd does a little something extra to the edge of the second shell so you can show the nested set freely front and back without different colored metals showing.

What's even better about having the Cerebus being completely flat is you can then add your expanded shell to it giving crazy possibilities.


Thx, I wasn't sure if they were exactly the same or not. I saw the photos and thought HEY that looks like what I got! I know the sets weren't designed to work this way, but knowing I could use them like that is sweet! I can show both sides without different colored metals showing, and it pretty much passes as a regular coin that I can flash head and tail. The OXF [ has teflon and sh*m, but I don't want to take them out just for the extra little bit as it would destroy my OXF. From my understanding the Cerberus uses an expanded for the top. Are you sure about being able to add another expanded?
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I think that if you want a Cerberus Coin, then Just buy one from Todd Lassen. don't try to rip off his hard work just becuase its Cheaper to use someone else's gaffs. I think there is a respect that Todd should get for putting in the time to create the Cerberus gimmick, and I personally don't believe his work should be belittled simply because "its cheaper."


I don't mean to try to rip off his gimmick I just thought the combination might work for the same routines. I saw the photos of his gimmick and put the two together. I probably won't be doing any Cerberus routines as I don't know any. It was more curiosity than anything.
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If you need Cerberus routines I have a DVD full!!!! Smile
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I wasnt directing that to you singularily. I think in the Coin gaff department there is a lot of stealing and ripping off in general. I just know that the Cerberus is Todds, so seeing a Schoolcraft esque replica just kinda grinded my gears.
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Mixing up your own gaffs is hardly ripping someone off. If I add a shell to my flipper am I ripping off schoolcrafts OxF?
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No because Schoolcrafts uses teflon and a special magnetic shell and coin set. Plus he was not nearly the first one to think of putting a shell and a flipper together.
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[quote]On 2011-03-13 21:02, kinzo wrote:
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On 2011-03-13 18:58, prototype wrote:
To answer your question, Yes it would basically work as a Cerebus coin. The one huge disadvantage is the coverage, as you've pointed out. The Cerebus appears as one regular silver dollar, there is 100% coverage from the shell. Also, Todd does a little something extra to the edge of the second shell so you can show the nested set freely front and back without different colored metals showing.

What's even better about having the Cerebus being completely flat is you can then add your expanded shell to it giving crazy possibilities.



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Thx, I wasn't sure if they were exactly the same or not. I saw the photos and thought HEY that looks like what I got! I know the sets weren't designed to work this way, but knowing I could use them like that is sweet! I can show both sides without different colored metals showing, and it pretty much passes as a regular coin that I can flash head and tail. The OXF [ has teflon and sh*m, but I don't want to take them out just for the extra little bit as it would destroy my OXF. From my understanding the Cerberus uses an expanded for the top. Are you sure about being able to add another expanded?




No, if you read the description of the Cerebus on Todds website it is a normal Morgan shell with a brass shell inside, then a copper silver insert. when its altogether the outer shell covers completely. And when I say you can show it on both sides without other metals showing I'm talking about the rim of the inner shell, not the side edge of the inner shel. with your setup you with see a little bit of the side edge of your brass coin, that's why Todds is so good, plus theres an extra touch that he adds to the rim of the inner shell that makes it completely invisible.
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No, if you read the description of the Cerebus on Todds website it is a normal Morgan shell with a brass shell inside, then a copper silver insert. when its altogether the outer shell covers completely. And when I say you can show it on both sides without other metals showing I'm talking about the rim of the inner shell, not the side edge of the inner shel. with your setup you with see a little bit of the side edge of your brass coin, that's why Todds is so good, plus theres an extra touch that he adds to the rim of the inner shell that makes it completely invisible.


Thx for the info! I just wanted to re-iterate just for the info that I CAN show both head tail AND SIDE as all silver with no copper and no brass showing whatsoever. The seam on the CSB is also near invisible, before I got to know the set I often picked up the extra silver coin and would flip it over Smile

I also wanted to point out that I DID NOT order it in this configuration for this purpose for the sake of any producer copying another producer. Also for the question of any producer's quality, this was my own conjunction, and I'm sure if I had ordered it to work this way it would have been designed that way.
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If you need Cerberus routines I have a DVD full!!!! Smile


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