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jonathandupree
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Sure thing I did not mean to offend danny. Sorry. and I don't wish to tell anyone how to act. I wish you the best
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On 2011-03-27 17:26, jonathandupree wrote:
Sure thing I did not mean to offend danny. Sorry. and I don't wish to tell anyone how to act. I wish you the best


That wasn't negative enough.
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On 2011-03-27 16:10, Benji Bruce wrote:
Peace Love and Chicken Grits guys


Great Idea benji, I love chicken grits, grew up eating them all my life.

Thanks for reminding me about chicken grits ;

Now what was the topic?
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On 2011-03-27 16:13, Close.Up.Dave wrote:
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On 2011-03-26 21:47, jonathandupree wrote:
"Big people talk about ideas, average people talk about things, small people talk about other people." So let the Café be a place where people can share ideas without everyone else jumping in smashing that idea saying how bad of an idea it is. Give your feedback in a positive manner and if it's something you wouldn't do, then just keep on doing what's working for you.


How dare you try to encourage people on these forums to be polite and helpful... These forums are for belittling others ideas, making sure you sound like you are the most authoritative person in magic, and for being as negative as you can be.

Some people in this thread actually gave great feedback and exchanged ideas well. How pathetic. Not enough negativity going on around here.

So if you're going to tell others how to act, then I'll do the same to you. Stop telling people how negative they are, just be negative back. It works.


Be a smart alec all you like, but fact is that people are who they are. If you don't want a contrary opinion, don't put this homework up for everyone to see. Why is it that guys seem to think that EVERY contrary opinion is negative? Oh heaven forbid we call things for what they are huh?

No it is fare better to blow sunshine up people's buts and let them find out the hard way what crap they really are onto. Why let experience talk, even if it may not agree with the rose colored glass viewpoint of the young? Yea good plan.

Posted: Mar 27, 2011 10:02pm
As for Benji changing his show or not, I want to step up and defend him on that point for a second.

I have ALWAYS been wary of guys who do this, and have seen some fairly pathetic results when guys try. Even Don Alan and his 'Ace of Refridgerators' dealio falls pretty pathetic in terms of entertainment.

I do not know what Benji's reasons for not changing his show, but mine are simple. EVERY time I am booked it is because people have seen my show, know who I am and what to expect. The show is polished and it is what it is. When I "create a custom show for each client" it seems to me that it is nowhere near as polished as a 20 year show. It CAN'T be! So to me I simply do not want to try to do it because (and this is MY opinion not the right one necessarily.) it will feel like a less polished show.

I don't try to sell clients, and certainly don't "upsell" them. I do mainly public shows so there is no need. I have never chased the one night shows, so your mileage may vary. Mine is simply as stated. Again, it is ONE way of doing things. Not necessarily the "RIGHT" way, and certainly not the right way for everyone.
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On 2011-03-27 21:18, Dannydoyle wrote:
Be a smart alec all you like, but fact is that people are who they are. If you don't want a contrary opinion, don't put this homework up for everyone to see. Why is it that guys seem to think that EVERY contrary opinion is negative? Oh heaven forbid we call things for what they are huh?

No it is fare better to blow sunshine up people's buts and let them find out the hard way what crap they really are onto. Why let experience talk, even if it may not agree with the rose colored glass viewpoint of the young? Yea good plan.


The fact that you went out of your way to say "people are who they are" shows that you realize you happen to say things in a negative way. It also points out that you are unwilling to change those habits out your own want/desire. That's fine, but then you can't get defensive when others tell you to lighten up. I like you Danny (from whatever interactions we've had through the forums), and your posts have a lot of great tips. But, don't confuse arrogance with intelligence.

Also I never said a contrary opinion isn't welcome, in fact, they are needed. However giving a contrary opinion and being a sourpuss are two different things. Sure, they sometimes have similar points of truth. However, to quote my grandmother, "you catch more flies with honey." My sarcasm wasn't necessarily aimed at this particular thread alone, but to all posts on the general forums.
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Danny,

Please note that I didn't say a custom show - but a customized show. Major difference. You are 100% correct - no way a custom show can be a polished performance.

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Just a thought...sometimes, I want a service, not an experience. When I call a carpet cleaner, I just want my carpets cleaned. I want them to do a good job, I want them to arrive promptly, and perform the agreed upon service, at the agreed upon price. That's all. If they send a thank you card or leave brownies, that's a bonus.

I DON'T want:
follow-up emails
requests to film video testimonials
to be asked to record a testimonial
to be added to email/facebook/myspace/linkedin/twitter/ or any other mailing/email/contact/social media list


Keep in mind that providing "just a service" is fine, and some people prefer to keep it that way. And, remember, a service IS an experience!

Just some thoughts! - Kevin
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Excellent points, Kevin! It's like walking into a store to buy a stereo - sometimes you just want buy the stereo and go home. This isn't always the case, but sometimes the overly friendly sales people can get on your nerves. The ones that keep following you around are obnoxious. It's those that know how to turn off when needed and let you go about your business that I prefer. Again, that's not saying providing the experience is a bad thing - certainly not. It's just important to know when to say "when."
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On 2011-03-27 23:29, tacrowl wrote:
Danny,

Please note that I didn't say a custom show - but a customized show. Major difference. You are 100% correct - no way a custom show can be a polished performance.

Tom

I would even take it a step further and say a "personalized" show. Like Benji, I'm a mentalist and can personalize several of my routines and they play just as well without the personalization. I think it's easier to do with mentalism.

I understand what Benji is trying to create, but I think he needs to have a different vision for The Benji Bruce Experience. I understand the Derren Brown examples, but realistically you're not going to have the fame, money or TV backing to recreate what Derren did with The Gathering TV show. But that doesn't mean something else cannot be created which can have impact in several areas.

Watching Benji's demo video what struck me is visually the stage setting isn't very interesting. This is true with so many mentalists. They pride themselves in being able to do an hour show out of a briefcase. I typically will video tape all of my shows and a couple of years ago I was watching a recent show, turned the sound on the TV down to answer the phone and realized how boring it looked. The was noting visually compelling about my show. So I invested in a backdrop and retractable vinyl banners. Now my name is visible before, during and after the show and I've added so color and visual interest to my act without adding props.

But Benji wants to add impact after the show as well and this is easily accomplished with a printed program. If you want to take a Derren Brown/psychological influence approach to all of this then combine the banners and the printed programs with an effect. Derren did something recently on his last TV special in which two separate set pieces where brought together to show a phrase that was previously revealed, leading you to believe you had been influenced by this throughout the show. Something like this can be easily and inexpensively done on banners as well as a program they get to take home. The reveal/influence is on the program and they get to keep it.

Obviously just an example, but more realistic than what Brown has the financial ability and fame to create.

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On 2011-03-27 23:29, tacrowl wrote:
Danny,

Please note that I didn't say a custom show - but a customized show. Major difference. You are 100% correct - no way a custom show can be a polished performance.

Tom

Certainly there is a HUGE difference very good point.

Posted: Mar 28, 2011 12:36pm
One thing to keep in mind and it is the following. IF you are working with an experienced talent buyer, (And why work with less?) they have seen these "customised" ideas done time and again to death. It is not as large a selling point as everyone thinks. They have heard time and again about a special experience. (Not a new idea Benji, Don Alan spoke of it decades ago.)

I also am of the opinion that folow up email is just way too intrusive. The idea of a thank you card, brownies or what not is perfect. It shows gratitude and will keep you remembered. In fact I think it will keep you remembered far more than any number of email stunts you want to use.

Anyone with an email account will tell you just how much junk email is out there. Why do you want to put yourself in the category of those who are deleated immediately? Why be remembered in this fashion? Why be associated with a viagra sales pitch? Again just the way I deal with the clients we have but most want to be left alone till they need something then they call. The idea is that your show is memorable enough that the next time they need one you are already top of their mind because the show made such a huge impact. That theory has kept me overbooked for better than 20 years.

It can work, it does work. Now the caviat is that the show must make that large an impact. Not easy. But it CAN be done. I would rather they remember me because of the show than some email technique I just thought of. The show is the experience. At least that is my theory. It is just that, one mans theory.
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On 2011-03-28 12:36, Dannydoyle wrote:

I also am of the opinion that folow up email is just way too intrusive. The idea of a thank you card, brownies or what not is perfect. It shows gratitude and will keep you remembered. In fact I think it will keep you remembered far more than any number of email stunts you want to use.


Exactly.

Several weeks ago I saw an interview with a guy who wrote a book 365 Thank Yous, a lawyer who changed his life by handwriting thank you notes. More information on John Kralik here:

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http://www.365thankyounotes.com/

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Domino Magic - personalized is a much better word for what I was trying to express. Posted that after too long a day in the heat. Thanks!
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