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I have 6-7 boxes full of the TCM face cards--each card is the same on both sides. I've thot of gluing (rubber cement?) 2 of them together and using them myself, not as a give-away. Has anyone every done it or recommend it?

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Jon I would glue them together and use them as give-aways.The marks won't know or care.Oh don't use rubber cement,its too messy.Use a glue stick.

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Gotcha. Thanx Don.

On another note, just acquired some Bicycle double-back cards. They are the slipperiest ones I've ever felt. Much better than Zodiac or the ones from HH of C. But they are a little bigger all around than the Zodiac double-face. Has anyone else ever used the Bicycle with Zodiac? I'll bet they originally cost a mint, compared to $1 a deck for the Zodiac.

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Bicycle are pokes size card and the zodiac is a bridge size card.Buy a deck or two of bicycles at Wal Mart.You can get the double pack up at the check out lines.Than buy that clue stick and make up some bicycle D.B. or D.F. what ever you need to get rid of all the bicycle cards.Try NOT to buy same both sides or bicycle cards again,stick to the ZODIAC decks that are printed on both sides at $1.00 a deck.

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I do kids' shows using James Munton's "How To Teach a Birthday Magic Class." Sometimes I add in the Two Card Monte and have the kids each glue their own (it turns into a whole activity). It's fine for something like that, but I don't think I'd like it if I bought the cards glued like that. Though, at the same time, you're pitching, not building a relationship with your customers, so maybe that's fine Smile
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I've had 2 kids come back because of the "glue" situation. One kid had the 2 cards come apart. I had some of the bicycle cards available quickly and just traded. The other little girl, a vendor, said "Hey, these are 2 cards glued together."

"Yep, that's how they do it." I didn't let her look at mine--which, of course, were the slippery bikes.

"Oh, OK" and went on her way. She came back later with her little sister and was gonna buy another deck. The sister could not have been over 3 years old.

"I'll sell you the cards but I think your sister can't do the tricks until she grows up a little. Her hands are too small."

"Doesn't matter, she saw mine and wants that TCM. The magic store here in the flea market charges $10 for them. Here's the money."

What could I do? I took the money and we were all 3 happy. Smile

By the way, I demo the bikes but deliver the Zodiacs. I bought 50 decks of Zodiacs last time. I got the bikes, almost by accident, in a deal with some Svengali cards.

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Don't use the two card monte. Use the Dutch Looper instead otherwise known as the grafter's three card trick. The two card monte is pathetic in comparison. It's only advantage is that it is easy for the punter to learn. They will never be able to do the Dutch Looper and therefore you can take pride in the fact that you are not exposing the secrets of magic. It is true that they will come back in droves complaining that it doesn't work. Just snarl at the kids and they will go away. Besides any good grafter knows that if you can't lie, cheat and steal then you are not much of a pitchman.
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On 2011-05-28 19:31, Mark Lewis wrote:
Don't use the two card monte. Use the Dutch Looper instead otherwise known as the grafter's three card trick. The two card monte is pathetic in comparison.


HOGWASH !
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Very well then. I shall prove what I say. Who wants to see a videoclip of the Dutch Looper in action? Once you see it demonstrated you will realise in a nanosecond which is the stronger demo item. And the Looper is faster and cheaper to make up. Give me ten minutes and I will have made 14 out of an ordinary deck.

I repeat. The Two Card Monte is PATHETIC. You have all been getting incorrect information for years. Now get ready to hear the REAL stuff. Now again. Who wants to see the Dutch Looper in action?
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OK rottenegg...let's see the video.
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I am a trifle tired at the moment. I shall do it later. I am going to lie down. I am still trying to recover from the momentous news that a world renowned Svengali pitchman that I have admired my entire life is going to be the guest of honour on the magic Café for a week starting tonight. I am sure it can't be true. How could such a thing be possible? If it is true I am terribly worried for Don Driver since he has a weak heart. Perhaps he needs to lie down for a while too.
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Before I lie down here is the Dutch Looper routine demonstrated by Pat Page. Or it is the routine as near as dammit. The only thing you won't be able to do is the very last bit which only takes up about 30 seconds anyway. It is Pat's addition to the Dutch Looper but it is not practical for a pitchman for various reasons. But 95% of what you see here is what the punters see when you are pitching them. They cost pennies to make up. Once you look at it if you have any brains in your body you will realise this is far better than that vastly inferior two card monte. However, I do predict that many of you will rationalise and make excuses and say the two card stupidity is better. Well, it ain't. Remember that I am the master. The rest of you aren't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vuco5nI88E
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Thank you.
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The TCM is the only one to pitch not the Dutch Looper that is unless you want to be thought of as a con man then sure sell something that no one is ever going to use. That is completely asinine to sit behind a computer and suggest that the D.L. be used instead. Then again does that surprise anyone since that garbage came from the tool that is M.L.?

Don Driver was correct when he posted HOGWASH. It's also two other words but I won't say what those are except for one starts with B the other starts with S.

If you want to know how to pitch magic items talk to Don Driver or David Walker. There is no one better to talk to period end of subject.
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Hey folks, we are only talking about a throwaway "kicker" item here! No need to get all hot and bothered about it!!

I frankly think it makes little difference whether you use the TCM or the Looper. The star of the show is the Svengali Deck; if your Svengali Pitch is NG, then you could give away free glasses of beer with the decks and still nobody would buy them.

Unlike some other posters here, I don't claim to be the Guiding Light or the sole source of knowledge about pitching, and will be the first to say that you can always learn something more. But in my own experience, the TCM "kicker" never sold that many extra decks and was not worth the extra effort or money needed to make up the sets. What it did do was take up time that I could have spent drawing another tip and selling more Svengali Decks and Magic Worms. That's why I stopped using it.

So that's my two cents on this issue. SETH
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Seth old chap. It DOES make a difference whether you use the two card monte or the Dutch Looper. The difference is that the Looper is superb and the two card monte is pathetic in comparison. It takes the same amount of time to perform and is cheaper and easier to make up so it seems to me that it wins hands down especially when the effect is so much more stunning.

Furthermore, your rather inexperienced do-the-job-in-my-spare-time-at-weekends-only statement that the "kicker" is unnecessary is only partly true. There are venues where you should use it and venues where you should not use it. A good grafter knows within the first 20 minutes of working which policy to follow. For example it is the height of silliness to sell the decks for a measly low price like $5 as some people do and waste time with the "kicker". It takes up far too much time and is not necessary because the price is so low anyway. However, once the price goes up then the case for the extra item is stronger. If for example the price is $10 and the venue is a bit hard you can increase your sales tremendously but not only giving away the 3 card monte but including the spooky pencil or mouse plus one other extra item such as a magic book.

It makes the demonstration longer but it is worth it. I cut a couple of tricks out of the Svengali pitch to accommodate this. And you must demonstrate the looper or the two card abomination in this situation.

Now if you are selling the decks at $7 you can use the chain system of working. You do the deck first and ask for the money. Then you do the Dutch Looper and ask for the money. $3 is the price. Then you do the Svengali deck again. And you keep alternating. If you use this system you will sell just as many Loopers as you will Svengali decks since the Looper is a very strong pitch item on it's own.The advantage of this system is that it keeps the crowd going all day and you don't need to draw in a fresh one. By the time you get to the end of one trick new people will have arrived for the second one and so it goes all day.

I take issue with the statement that if your pitch is no good you will take in no money. Many people here have proved that already. The Svengali pitch that has been used in America for decades by Don Driver, DAve Walker and others is no good and never has been yet money is still taken in. This is due more to the personality of the operator rather than the pitch itself which is quite weak and has been for decades.

As for the RS1963 cretin who has been extremely rude to me on this thread let us see what he has to say now that I am here to reprimand him for his impertinence. I know who this silly young man is and I can assure you all that he knows as much about the pitch business as he does about the care and breeding of Japanese butterflies. You do NOT use the double lift when working the Dutch Looper. Patrick Page did in the video but he didn't have to. It was completely unnecessary. The correct description is in the UNIQUE YEARS by Ken Brooke and you are specifically advised NOT to use a double lift. And as for the tosh that people are not going to use the trick so bloody what? It is important that the secrets of magic are kept hidden from the public and I would be heartbroken if I thought anyone could actually do the tricks I sell. In fact I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if this were the case. At least with the Dutch Looper I can take great satisfaction in knowing that kids are going to be greatly disappointed in their purchase and hopefully go home crying. Serves them right for heckling me all day.

And yes. Seth. I AM the guiding light in these matters. I have been ripping off the public with these decks for 47 years in many different countries. Nobody else knows what they are talking about. I am the way, the truth and the light in this business. Everyone else is the blind leading the blind.
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Ah, Mr. Lewis, I see now that I was wrong.

You certainly are a veritable fountain of knowledge, spewing information and a few other things everywhere in sight. It's just what the Café needs, I'm sure. SETH
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Jolly good, old chap. I knew that would bring you out of hiding.
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Give them a two card monte AND a dutch looper ... just keep throwing **** on the table till they buy it!

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Yes, I have tried that and providing the monte has a good flash and is well packaged it can work. However you should NOT demonstrate both. Just one or the other. And the one that is demonstrated should be the Looper since it is by far the more powerful of the two demonstrations. But if you do this you still have to make up the montes and who the hell can be bothered with that crap? Sometimes I give just one playing card away. That's it. Just one playing card. No packaging. Nothing. Just the one card. No getting the glue out. Nothing. Just the one card. And it is just as effective as the two card monte. And it costs nothing since they are left overs from when you make up Dutch Loopers. I have been astonished how people insist on receiving their one card too.

Now you will all want to know how to make people eager for this one card. Ask and it shall be given unto you. Seek and ye shall find.

You must excuse me for talking like this. I have just been over to the gospel section of the Magic Café to see if it is true that they accept all sinners. From what I saw over there I am not sure that they do.

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