Just received my johnson set and i`m most pleased with them.
I`m looking for a nice (and easy if poss)clean start and finish without using pockets.
All pointers welcome

Check out Bob Sheets "Bob does Hospitality" Volume 2.
Nice routine with no pockets, just a purse.

Also consider a Himber Coin "Portfolio" from Frank. I got one from Frank and I love it. It makes a CSB routine so much easier and imo much more magical than the pocket version.

Here is the link:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=3

You can get a non-gimicked version to swap out as well.

Regards,

Alan

Thanks Sammy i`ll check it out.
Alan that looks ideal but $25 shipping to uk is a bit much for a little purse, i`ll pm him to see if we can work something out...

If you are not adverse to a little work, you could make one yourself. I made one based upon Scotty York's "Numistatist" purse using three identical ultrathin wallets (two for gaff, one for switchout) similar to the one being sold here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BLACK-LEATHER-Window......2e01e914

(I have attached a photo since EBAY tends to get rid of listings fairly soon after a sale ends).

It was a lot of work, though, sewing through leather. Also Frank's himber portfolios work really well and look great.

Regards,

Alan

Click here to view attached image.

Frank Starsinic's Himber Purse (along with a matching regular one for examination if you wish) and Scott Guinn's "Pouched CSB" routine from his ebook, "My Best to You Volume 2: Coins". Fantastic combination!

Jim

Are you looking for stand-up no table? Or can it be on the table! If it's on the table I have a handleing!
But it's not in print yet!

I think sitting down or at a bar would be easier for me and the more I look into routines the more there seems to be... Guess i`ll just have to bite the bullet and pick one
Just ordered a purse from Frank btw

The part I did not like useing a pocket is haveing to reach back in to the pocket to take stuff out! So I worked out 2 handleings that once you put something in the pocket you trou with it! And never have to take it out agen!

Sounds interesting...

There both in my sound routines book! ( that's the book on the rattlr gimmick) you can do them without the rattle gimmick but you just don't get the sound sell! In the frist handleing all 3 coins vanish at the end!
And in the 2th. handleing thay ALL 3! Change into chinese coins! P.M. me for more info if you are interested?

There are a few CSB routines in the New York Coin Magic seminar DVD series. Scotty York's routine mentioned above is on volume 10. Gallo has a few 2 copper one silver routines, but his methods of ending clean can be adapted to the csb gimmick.

Thanks Michael.

That gives me something to look forward to. I've been going through the NYCM DVD's (slowly) and loving every one.

Alan

My Poker Chip Surprise is a CSB routine with chips and it starts and ends clean. See it at http://www.petebiro.com and look for videos.

Hey Pete, your Poker Chip Surprise is one of my favorite routines of yours. Simple, efficient and fun (plus well made and durable props and gaffs IMO).

I prefer coins to chips (for the storyline), but I have incorporated many elements of your excellent routine in what I do with my CSB.

Alan

Thanks for the pointer Michael.
Hi Pete, I ordered poker chip surprise a couple weeks ago, should be here soon if customs haven`t got their grubby mitts on them..

Here are a few more:


Copper Silver Brass


Alen, Harry: World's Greatest Magic by the Greatest Magicians: Gaffed Coins DVD 2 Copper 1 Silver.

Bannon, John: Smoke and Mirrors Richard Kaufman and Alan Greenberg; p 61: The Mystery on the Aztec-Orient Express. A three phases routine with the coins going to the pocket only for the finale. Coins are nonchalantly left for examination.

Boykin, Marion: Crimp Copsilvbrass. Vinny Marini’s site La Famiglia download video. Difficult to master but very clean one hand changes.

Brewer, Doug. The Unexpected Visitor Book and DVD Backhanded the effect is shown using a tabled card (could be a credit card instead of the gag which supplies the misdirection)

Dingle, Derek. The complete works of Derek Dingle p 62 Copper Silver Brass.

Diamond, Paul: Copper Silver Brass: video advertising on p 899 of Pabular

Eason Doc: Doc Eason's Bar Magic DVD Vol.3 Copper/Silver/Brass Transposition-widely acclaimed as the definitive version & World's Greatest Magic by the Greatest Magicians: Gaffed Coins DVD Copper Silver Brass.

Fisher, Cody: The unforgettable coin magic of Cody Fisher. Real World CSB. Very nice routine which ends up clean with three coins which are looking as they should. In between three phases are well structured.

Gibson, Eddie: Chinese Bit. Marketed item. Three previously examined coins are used: an American Half Dollar, an old-type English Penny and a Chinese coin. The Penny and Chinese coin are placed in the right hand and the Half Dollar in the left. Without any suspicious moves the coins are shown to have transposed, the Half Dollar appearing in the right hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the left. The Penny is then placed in the pocket, but it instantly returns to the hand, while the Half Dollar vanishes from the hand and appears in the pocket. The Chinese coin is placed in the pocket, the Penny in the left hand and the Half Dollar in the right. Seconds later the Half Dollar is seen resting in the left hand while the Penny is in the right hand. This is repeated once again but this time the Chinese coin appears next to the Penny in the right hand. The Half Dollar is then placed in the right hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the left. Both hands are closed and instantly opened to reveal the Half Dollar in the left hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the right. This is repeated twice more and then the coins are handed out once again to be examined.

Kohler, Bob. Lecture Video (New release 2002) It 's not what you think! This is a routine Bob used to baffle some of the finest close-up workers in the world, including Larry Jennings - he'll fool you too*****
http://www.internationalmagic.com/acatal......tml#a393

Kurtz, Gary. Unexplainable acts. 1990. p. 32 Body heat: using Connie Hayden gimmick and a small purse. & Let’s Get Flurious DVD Trio in three. A great routine combining Al Schneider’s cross cards with copper Silver Brass without going to the pocket. Very nice.

Green, Paul: In The Trenches With Paul Green DVD. Two Copper Silver. An eye-popping coin routine with the ever-popular 2 Copper Silver coin set (it also works perfectly with Silver, Copper, Brass). There are three distinct transpositions and it’s easy to do. Features Paul’s ‘Pouch Switch’ that elegantly ditches the gaffs and leaves you clean as a whistle.

Latta, Geoffrey:. Coin Magic by Richard Kaufman. Copsilbrass (standing).

McCallion, Lance: Copper-Silver-Gold http://www.zyworld.com/coinpurse/Articles78.htm
Transposition effect with a Susan B. Anthony dollar, English, copper 2-pence piece, and the new Sacagewea Gold dollar. Complex and more technical than other versions, but it looks great, and has an awesome climax.
Props: the coins mentioned above, a felt-tipped pen or marker, and an extra Susan B. Anthony dollar.
Preparation: the first three coins are in the right pant pocket along with the marker and, the second silver dollar is in the left pant pocket.
Performance: reach in both pockets, finger palm the second silver dollar in your left and openly bring out the three coins in your right hand.
Part 1; First Change
Fan the three coins in your right hand the silver coin in between the other two, the gold coin on top of the fan, and mention what you are about to do as you pretend to transfer the fan of coins into your left hand. What really happens is you tap the fan against the palm of your left hand so that the fan closes up sandwiching the silver coin between the copper and gold coins. Slide the coin your thumb is contacting back away from the finger tips into finger palm. Now let the silver coin slide off the copper coin and hit the other silver coin in left hand finger palm. Move your right hand away from the left, closing the left into a fist and carrying the copper coin away on fingertip rest. Press the copper coin into classic palm. Then also classic palm the gold coin as you finish chatting with the audience. The whole transfer should take about two seconds

Now reach into your left fist through the thumbhole and remove one of the silver coins. You will now perform a sound illusion. The audience believes that you have only one coin in the right hand, and a copper and gold in the left hand. Mention that you are holding a silver dollar (display the dollar at the right fingertips), and you are holding a copper coin and gold coin in your left fist (to show that their are two coins in your fist, as you give that hand a shake let the two coins fall from right hand classic palm into the fingers. This will give you the sound needed to convince the audience of two coins in you left hand, and also prepare you for the next move. As you state that the coins are going to switch places, you close the right hand into a fist, pressing the silver coin into classic palm. You can now make a magical gesture of some sort, an drop the copper and gold coin from your right hand, and display the silver coin in your left. You have an apparent exchange of three coins between the two hands.
Part 2; Second Change
For this next sequence you display the three coins on the left hand. The silver at the base of the two middle fingers, and the copper and gold coins on the palm. Say that you are going to do the same thing, only backwards. Turn the right hand to a horizontal position so that the fingertips are facing your right. Reach over with your right hand so that the palm of your right hand is directly over the left fingertips. Pick up the copper and gold coins with the first and second fingers of the right hand. Drop the classic palmed silver coin onto the fingertips as you remove the other two coins from the palm. Immediately turn your left hand over and move the silver coin into a Heel Clip position. Leave as much of the coin protruding outside the fist as possible.Close the right hand and press the two coins into classic palm. Bring the hands together and turn the left hand palm up when the right hand is directly over it. Clip the silver coin from the left hand with second and third fingers of the right hand as you gesture (Ross Bertram move variant demonstrated under fire by Tommy Wonder in the DVD with his Okito Box routine).
Let’s go over the position of all the coins: one silver coin is in the left fist, the copper and gold coins are in right hand classic palm, and the second silver coin is under the right fist, clipped against the palm by the second and third fingers.
Cause the effect with a magical gesture and extend the right fingers tabling the silver coin which was clipped between the fingers. Now for showing the travel of the copper and gold coins to the left hand you're going to do a sort of reverse Han Ping Chien from the right classic palm. With the right finger still extended, finger palm the left hand silver coin and bring it close to the right hand turn palm down. Simultaneously move the right hand to the right out of the way as you release the two coins in classic palm. It looks as if they were dumped from the left hand.
Part 3; Spectator Climax
For this part, you don't need the extra silver coin, so you reach in you left pocket for the marker, and as you bring it out, ditch the silver coin. Use the Marker to draw a little X on the back of your right hand. Now do a click pass into your left hand so that the gold coin remains in your right hand. Press it into classic palm as you reach for the silver coin. Pick it up and perform the palm change in Kaufman's Coinmagic. Ask for a spectator to hold out a hand and you tell them to hold on to the silver coin. You actually place the gold coin in their hand, but close their hand before they can look at the coin. Now you need to secretly switch the copper coin and silver. I use a clever little sequence that combines the Cardini steal and the L'Homme Masqué load. Move the copper coin into the clip position mentioned earlier. Extend the fingers of the right hand and bring the hands together. Turn the right hand palm up and steal the coin into thumbpalm. Continue moving the right hand around the left hand and drop the classic palmed silver coin into the thumbhole of the left hand. Tap the back of the hand as you state the you are going to push the gold and copper coins through the back of your right hand and they are going to fall into the spectator's hand, but the silver coin in the spectator's hand is going to pass up through your hand as you push the others through. Move your right hand over the spectator's hand and tell them to open it. The second they do, place your hand over theirs so they don't get a glimpse of the gold coin. Everything is set. All that is left is for you to do a little acting. As you tap the back of your right hand with the left release the classic palmed coin into their hand. uncover the coins to reveal the copper and gold, and open you left hand to show the silver coin. It's a transposition through your hand.
Comments: I believe that if you practice the effect enough it will become one of your favourites. It's hard, but worth it. It is possible to incorporate one of the spectators into the end. When they hear that clink at the end and see that the silver coin is gone. They know it's real magic. It really is a fun routine. If anyone feels uncomfortable using smaller size coins, it is easy to switch them out for half dollars, English Pennies, and Chinese Coins.

McClintock, Reed: Knucklebusters Vol # 2 Routine #1: Three with CSB: Two cards are selected from a deck and crossed one on top of the other on a close up pad. Three coins are removed from a coin purse (one is copper, one is silver, one is brass with a hole in it). The purse is placed at the rear center of the mat. The coins are tossed into the left hand. The left hand is opened to show only the copper and brass coins, the silver magically appears under the two cards on the table (Al Schneider style). The silver coin is picked up by one of the cards, and tossed into the left hand. The left hand shows the coin both sides, and replaces it on the mat. Both cards are picked up and the corners of both cards are placed onto the silver coin, concealing it. The spectator is given a free choice as to what coin (copper or brass) will travel under a card next. Each coin is picked up one at a time and placed into the left hand. The left hand is opened to show that the spectator’s coin is gone. The cards are lifted and the spectator’s coin is now with the silver coin. One card is placed back over the two coins, and one card is placed to the rear right of the close up pad. The final coin is held at the fingertips. The right hand takes the coin and tosses it toward the card covering the coins. The coin vanishes. The spectator turns over the card to witness all three coins under the card. The card is placed to the rear left of the close up pad. The coins are all picked up into the left hand. The right hand takes out the silver coin, and the left hand shows the copper and brass. The hands close. The left hand now has the silver coin! The silver coin is waved over the right fist and the hand is opened to show it is empty. The silver coin is placed back into a hand, is squeezed and it also vanishes. The coins magically re-appear, one under one card, one under the other card, and one under the coin purse.

This is a very nice presentation based upon Gary Kurtz’ “Trio in Three”. Part of what made Gary Kurtz routine work is that he was using Connie Hayden’s 2 copper, 1 silver gimmick which is the precursor to the CSB gaff. One thing that we could do with the Connie Hayden gimmick is to use the coin as a double face coin as well. The CSB gaff adds complexity by introducing another metal coin, that has a hole in it. The contrast of the three coins is much better, but the hole in the gimmick partially restricts the ability to use it as a double face coin.

Mentzer, Jerry: Close Up Cavalcade by Jerry Mentzer p 74: A sort of three way spellbound routine with a handkerchief. It is done with poker chips which can be replaced by a copper coin, a gold coin and a C/S coin.

Miller, Tony. “Cheap Way” Cop/Sil/Brass. Apocalypse Vol VIII # 1 p 1016. A routine performed without any shell or any other gimmick than a C/S coin.

Norman, Karl. Close up table magic DVD. The Coin Collection: a copper, a silver, and a brass coin box routine using three coins from different countries that jump from hand to hand, appear in the box, change places with the box and for a finale the box becomes a solid slug of brass.

Prince, Gordon: Millenium coins (referenced by Cody Fisher but I could not find the routine)

Riding, Joe: Chinese bit. Marketed item by Ken Brooke and made up to date by Joe Stevens Magic Emporium http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=6317

Roman, Fernando: Coin Magic by Richard Kaufman p 207: CSB on the Fly.

Sheets, Bob: Bob does the Hospitality Suite Vol 2 DVD © L&L Publishing: The technical design is sophisticated but not really new. The presentation however is Bob’s unique talent.

Roth, David: Chinese Copper Silver. Ultimate Coin Magic DVD #1

Shryock, John: "Live at Caesars"-DVD Copper, silver, brass “Trio”.

Wagner, J. C. J.C. Wagner's more commercial magic DVD. 2 Copper-1 Silver: A copper, silver, brass coin routine where the three different coins accomplish impossible transpositions from hand to hand & World's Greatest Magic by the Greatest Magicians: Gaffed Coins DVD. 2 Copper-1 Silver

Watkins, Dan. Coin Vanish Vol 1 2002 p 9 King Midas Spellbound with a CSB and a gold coin & Coin Man Walking DVD. Bob Kohler. Strolling version.

York, Scotty: World's Greatest Magic by the Greatest Magicians: Gaffed Coins DVD Numismatist.

One silver two copper
Gibson, Eddie: Chinese Bit. Marketed item. Three previously examined coins are used: an American Half Dollar, an old-type English Penny and a Chinese coin. The Penny and Chinese coin are placed in the right hand and the Half Dollar in the left. Without any suspicious moves the coins are shown to have transposed, the Half Dollar appearing in the right hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the left. The Penny is then placed in the pocket, but it instantly returns to the hand, while the Half Dollar vanishes from the hand and appears in the pocket. The Chinese coin is placed in the pocket, the Penny in the left hand and the Half Dollar in the right. Seconds later the Half Dollar is seen resting in the left hand while the Penny is in the right hand. This is repeated once again but this time the Chinese coin appears next to the Penny in the right hand. The Half Dollar is then placed in the right hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the left. Both hands are closed and instantly opened to reveal the Half Dollar in the left hand and the Penny and Chinese coin in the right. This is repeated twice more and then the coins are handed out once again to be examined.

Green, Paul: In the trenches. 2 Copper Silver An eye-popping coin routine with the ever-popular 2 Copper Silver coin set (it also works with Silver, Copper, Brass). There are three distinct transpositions and it’s easy to do. Features Paul’s ‘Pouch Switch’ that elegantly ditches the gaffs and leaves you clean as a whistle.

Riding, Joe: Chinese bit. Marketed item by Ken Brooke and made up to date by Joe Stevens Magic Emporium http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=6317

McCallion, Lance: Copper-Silver-Gold http://www.zyworld.com/coinpurse/Articles78.htm
Transposition effect with a Susan B. Anthony dollar, English, copper 2-pence piece, and the new Sacagewea Gold dollar. Complex and more technical than other versions, but it looks great, and has an awesome climax.
Props: the coins mentioned above, a felt-tipped pen or marker, and an extra Susan B. Anthony dollar.
Preparation: the first three coins are in the right pant pocket along with the marker and, the second silver dollar is in the left pant pocket.
Performance: reach in both pockets, finger palm the second silver dollar in your left and openly bring out the three coins in your right hand.
Part 1; First Change
Fan the three coins in your right hand the silver coin in between the other two, the gold coin on top of the fan, and mention what you are about to do as you pretend to transfer the fan of coins into your left hand. What really happens is you tap the fan against the palm of your left hand so that the fan closes up sandwiching the silver coin between the copper and gold coins. Slide the coin your thumb is contacting back away from the finger tips into finger palm. Now let the silver coin slide off the copper coin and hit the other silver coin in left hand finger palm. Move your right hand away from the left, closing the left into a fist and carrying the copper coin away on fingertip rest. Press the copper coin into classic palm. Then also classic palm the gold coin as you finish chatting with the audience. The whole transfer should take about two seconds

Now reach into your left fist through the thumbhole and remove one of the silver coins. You will now perform a sound illusion. The audience believes that you have only one coin in the right hand, and a copper and gold in the left hand. Mention that you are holding a silver dollar (display the dollar at the right fingertips), and you are holding a copper coin and gold coin in your left fist (to show that their are two coins in your fist, as you give that hand a shake let the two coins fall from right hand classic palm into the fingers. This will give you the sound needed to convince the audience of two coins in you left hand, and also prepare you for the next move. As you state that the coins are going to switch places, you close the right hand into a fist, pressing the silver coin into classic palm. You can now make a magical gesture of some sort, an drop the copper and gold coin from your right hand, and display the silver coin in your left. You have an apparent exchange of three coins between the two hands.
Part 2; Second Change
For this next sequence you display the three coins on the left hand. The silver at the base of the two middle fingers, and the copper and gold coins on the palm. Say that you are going to do the same thing, only backwards. Turn the right hand to a horizontal position so that the fingertips are facing your right. Reach over with your right hand so that the palm of your right hand is directly over the left fingertips. Pick up the copper and gold coins with the first and second fingers of the right hand. Drop the classic palmed silver coin onto the fingertips as you remove the other two coins from the palm. Immediately turn your left hand over and move the silver coin into a Heel Clip position. Leave as much of the coin protruding outside the fist as possible.Close the right hand and press the two coins into classic palm. Bring the hands together and turn the left hand palm up when the right hand is directly over it. Clip the silver coin from the left hand with second and third fingers of the right hand as you gesture (Ross Bertram move variant demonstrated under fire by Tommy Wonder in the DVD with his Okito Box routine).
Let’s go over the position of all the coins: one silver coin is in the left fist, the copper and gold coins are in right hand classic palm, and the second silver coin is under the right fist, clipped against the palm by the second and third fingers.
Cause the effect with a magical gesture and extend the right fingers tabling the silver coin which was clipped between the fingers. Now for showing the travel of the copper and gold coins to the left hand you're going to do a sort of reverse Han Ping Chien from the right classic palm. With the right finger still extended, finger palm the left hand silver coin and bring it close to the right hand turn palm down. Simultaneously move the right hand to the right out of the way as you release the two coins in classic palm. It looks as if they were dumped from the left hand.
Part 3; Spectator Climax
For this part, you don't need the extra silver coin, so you reach in you left pocket for the marker, and as you bring it out, ditch the silver coin. Use the Marker to draw a little X on the back of your right hand. Now do a click pass into your left hand so that the gold coin remains in your right hand. Press it into classic palm as you reach for the silver coin. Pick it up and perform the palm change in Kaufman's Coinmagic. Ask for a spectator to hold out a hand and you tell them to hold on to the silver coin. You actually place the gold coin in their hand, but close their hand before they can look at the coin. Now you need to secretly switch the copper coin and silver. I use a clever little sequence that combines the Cardini steal and the L'Homme Masqué load. Move the copper coin into the clip position mentioned earlier. Extend the fingers of the right hand and bring the hands together. Turn the right hand palm up and steal the coin into thumbpalm. Continue moving the right hand around the left hand and drop the classic palmed silver coin into the thumbhole of the left hand. Tap the back of the hand as you state the you are going to push the gold and copper coins through the back of your right hand and they are going to fall into the spectator's hand, but the silver coin in the spectator's hand is going to pass up through your hand as you push the others through. Move your right hand over the spectator's hand and tell them to open it. The second they do, place your hand over theirs so they don't get a glimpse of the gold coin. Everything is set. All that is left is for you to do a little acting. As you tap the back of your right hand with the left release the classic palmed coin into their hand. uncover the coins to reveal the copper and gold, and open you left hand to show the silver coin. It's a transposition through your hand.

Now that`s a list!

I have wondered about this. How similar is this to the wallet that comes with Porper's Poker Chip Surprise? And has anyone used that wallet with these coins?

Thanks!

RevJohn

Very similar.

You can see the wallet on Frank's website. The differences are that the Biro/Porper gaff is a bit looser as it would have to be for the larger and thicker chips. Sammy J. said on another thread that he felt that the Biro/Porper purse was soft enough that you can see the outline of the chips from the outside. Personally, I have not had that problem when I do the routine. With Frank's version, the leather is a bit thicker, no coin outline at all. Both work great though.

Alan