Paul Green's routine can be done w/ CSB as well as 2C1S. No pockets and ends clean. You do need a small spot on a table though. Very nice routine.

I agree. This is so much better than going to the pockets. Thanks, Pete.

The Himber coin purses Frank sells are perfect for this - especially for dollar size CSB sets.

Robert

I also liked Pete's handling (as I recall) putting the coin/chip on top of the left knuckles and tossing up - and catching with right hand showing now 2 coins/chips and the 1st coin now in left fist. Really nice idea and I use it often with my treasured 20 year old Johnson CSB set. Great thinking as if you don't toss too high it looks impossible.

You can do something very similar with the standard CSB coin set using a sleight called "CSB Change" by James Lewis. I believe it can be found on his Million Dollar Mysteries video tape.

Jim

Saysold1 - That move came from Ken Brooke, with his CSB called "The Chinese Bit."

I'd like to say a nice word about my friend Lance Pierce's routine Cee/Ess/Bee from his Elements lecture notes. Lance did his first ever lecture at the 2011 Dallas Super Session on March 12th. He blew everyone in the room away with his routine. People were repeatedly asking him to do the changes over and over because they looked so good.

Lance's notes are available from Lance directly through his website. He may or may not be lecturing some more in the near future. I highly recommend if he is lecturing close by do not miss him.

I thought about this thread while playing around with the Seo/Fuji W-Wallet with money printer and came aross this:

http://www.magicmgmt.com/magicshop/index......temid=40

I don't know if the mini W Wallet is made as well or has the same "attractive qualities" as the Fuji magic factory version, but I got to thinking that this might work with a CSB set. It has the advantage of opening from the same side - with no turnover Himber move. It seems like this (or something Frank Starsini could work up) might be particularly useful with the York "Numismatist" routine as the coins show through the clear window and using the coin cut-out with a W wallet would avoid the appearance of a coin "outline" that others have commented on.

Just a thought.

Alan

Alan,

Nice looking wallet. Though not really made for coins it could be put to use. Gives me another idea though if we venture into card/billet -type packet wallets: Tony Miller's DiVinyl wallet. Also not made with coins in mind and you do have to cause the switch to occur, but it's another option.

Thank you.

Jim

I thought you said a "few more".

YOu can also check out Jeremy Pei's DVD. Read the thread here

The routine I have worked out does go to the pockets twice but ends with a complete vanish. I do this by exchanging the silver coin for an ex[ during one of the trips to the pocket. This allows a completely clean vanish of the copper & brass at the end!

Ending a routine with a complete vanish is very reinsuring for the performer but it leaves a frustration within the spectator's mind and an open field suggesting him that the coins were gaffed. Naturally the audience doesn't have any idea of how ingenious the gaff could be but it satisfies itself in thinking that it's a nice effect with tricked coins... otherwise the magician would have shown us the coins at the end. Don't believe for one second that the fact that no one ever told you means that it's not the case.

Since we don't want spectators to even imagine that gimmicked coins do exist and most of them don't know about it, I'm strongly against finale with complete vanishes... but that's me: I like satisfied and enthusiastic spectators, not frustrated ones.

Well I didn`t expect such a response to my question.
I`ve learned so much from this thread this past few weeks as have a few others i`m sure.
Thank you all for your input, there are so many routines I could never learn (or afford )them all so have settled with just one at the moment.
Scott Guinn`s pouched csb with Frank Starsinic's Himber Purse.
Cheers.

I agree with your point about a complete vanish in a csb routine. In my case it's not a comlete vanish. It's an effect of all the coins travelling to the pocket. They are then produced, examined and put away. For me this gives a stronger final phase for the routine and swaps out the gaff at the same time. I can also show my pocket is empty if anyone thinks there are extra coins in play.

Best regards
Sean

Etienne's point about complete vanishes is salient, but I'll submit that this depends quite a bit on how the audience feels about the coins up to that point. If the performer has done a sufficient job up front of allaying any suspicion of tricked coins, than the question regarding the complete vanish is moot...and it is possible to establish a good amount of conviction at the beginning and even throughout the routine.

Concerning the transportation of the coins to the pocket, I'll also suggest that when a trick ends, it should be over. In other words, if, when you remove the coins from your pocket, there are unanswered questions as to whether you have any other coins in there, then the trick isn't really over until you show them that's the case. It's not relevant to this point whether you actually show your pocket empty or not, but whether the questions exist. In that sense, it may be that ending with the coins from your pocket may not be the most perfect ending. In any trick, if the climax happens and the audiences still need something proved before they can accept it, the trick actually ends a beat or two after it's supposed to be over, and this is nearly always unsatisfying to a degree.

Yea Conviction Should be done at the beginning of the rotine! And then as one of the old masters Al Baker said " Don't run when no one is chaseing you!:) ) So you do not need to show them at the end! ( What thay did not belive you the frist time???) And if thay are Satisfed or unsatisfed is the job of the performer ! and has nothing to do with the coins!

Well, to be fair, Dave, any level of conviction can be undone by a poor handling after, but there's a lot to be said for putting in the work up front. In any event, the worst place to try to establish it is after the trick is over.

It's already been mentioned, but Bob Sheets' routine using a small ungimmicked coin purse is my favorite.

Hi Opinhe,
Yea your handleing has to be good! And that's why I use the rattle gimmick to sell the fact that the coins are real SOFTLY!!!