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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts 
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Actually, what the specs hear in a retirement home might be LESS of a problem.. just sayin' you could leave your Porper coin rattle at home, if you know what I mean.
Perhaps because I used to collect coins as a kid I can tell easily. I bet you have more coin collectors than you are aware of in your audience, though. Roth's patter in particular, stresses the rarity of the coins he is using. Another recent thread discussed using similar patter to discourage handling of your flipper. It wouldn't do for a spec to know your coins are fake even as you are calling them "rare" and "precious". |
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mitchb2 Elite user 455 Posts
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I just bought 5 of these Morgans from Hong Kong for $10 including shipping. I'm sure I'll be sorry but I figured what the heck.
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts
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On 2011-03-29 16:45, Sam Sandler wrote: My sister has a nice collection of silver dollars. She said I could have 4 to use for my coin magic. I had the choice of either 4 Morgans or 4 Peace dollars. I chose the Peace dollars. I like the looks of the Peace dollar much better. I'd like to get a Johnson expanded shell for these coins . Has anyone her ever seen one and what did you think? I like Johnson's coin products, plus I wouldn't be as paranoid about losing them as I would a custom set. I'm still upset about a Johnson CSB set I lost 20 years ago. As far as using fakes who cares! If you like them that's all that matters . The argument about preserving history and using knock offs is total crap!
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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Tom Fenton.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts
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"But there isn't a door"
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts
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On 2011-04-06 00:15, J-Mac wrote: I clearly agree with your statement when it comes to an analytical perception. However when you use actual silver coins instead of clads, between the ring in your hands, the fact that clads have a more "grey" look instead of a "milky" shine, people instinctively know that you are handling sterling silver coins. Funnily enough, and there I agree with you again, if you use clads, no one (except some funamentalist magicians) will come to you and claim that these are not silver. Younger people don't know and the older one don't remember and the principle behind gaffs finds its ground in the Gestalt laws of global perception This being said, our magicians' taste for high quality props (possibly for our own entertainment pleasure) supplies an increaing activity to high hand craftsmen, which is clearly not saturated but on the contrary still expanding. The rationalization, and it's a strong one for it has ground, is that lay people over estimate the cost of old silver coins and cannot imagine that sterling silver coins could be gaffed. Now I can accept that it is a rationalization for in general, lay people are not aware of coin gaffing (which is good). The other rationalization is that when people realize that we are using real (or what they perceive as real) old sterling silver coins, they induce from their imaginated cost for such coins, that our magic is better and therefore transfer on the magic they see a favorable prejudice formed with the te realization that these are expensive (whatever this means for them) collectors coins Now I think that with the increase in the price of silver and its reflection in the price of gaffed coins, there will be a time when craftsmen will use non silver coins and silver coat them (sh***l and Flipper included). Thus we may end up with silver English pennies which people will not realize that they never existed... With the numismatists, we will be the only ones left to secretly enjoy the beautiful ring when no "copper" coin or gaff is involved.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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obsidian52 Elite user United States 402 Posts
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You guys are kidding right....Actually, pure siler, while us coin guys love them, I think they have that "look" for lack of a better word, that ALMOST make them look phony and funny....I have dropped a scotch and soda, and not even my son or gf who knows I use gaffs was able to tell the difference unless I specificaly told them to listen....
Wow, I wish I had a spare $100.00, a great price on a morgan expanded shell at the magic warehouse. And to that guy who was worried about his replica morgans coming from hong kong...that seems to be where they all come from, it may take about 3 weeks, but you will get them...just forget you orderede them and then be pleasantly pleased when they arrive. |
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papillon Regular user 104 Posts
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Still stand by my opinion.
Using cheap material makes one a cheap magician. just always forget that this forum is mostly used by hobbyists, not by professionals... (my bad) that makes it more difficult to make my point clear. |
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts
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On 2011-04-04 09:24, papillon wrote: Quote:
On 2011-04-09 10:31, papillon wrote: Some of the best coin workers on the planet are not proffesionals. It's not the cost of the props that counts, It's what you do with them. I just don't get why some people are so negative and seem to think they are better than others just because their coins are more expensive. Fair enough if you like to use the best coins and can afford real silver. I do too and am lucky enough to be able to buy what I want. But why call someone a cheap magician if they can only afford cheap coins. That's just being mean. Come on man, just be happy that you can afford them yourself. you don't need to make others feel bad. 
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3364 Posts
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Yea, don't be a clown.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts
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I once saw what was basically a Coins Across routine done with washers - regular flat washers with holes in the center - and along with everyone else watching I was amazed. This was many years ago before I was into magic as a hobby. And I honestly don’t think anyone there would have been any more or less amazed if they had been coins, silver or otherwise. It was in Northern New Jersey; Parsippany,I think. If the magic is great the props don’t matter much. Of course most of what we do emulates the greats of magic from other eras. I think that may be why we seek out the pure silver; because so many magicians we have watched or read their books usually mentioned they were using "silver coins". Same with Bicycle cards - many act as if using any other brand will surely tip the spectators to the fact that we are using gaffs or - gasp! - sleight of hand! (What did they think the specs were assuming?!) I think many get just a tad hung up on using the "proper" and "correct" props. My opinion, anyway.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4253 Posts
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On 2011-04-04 09:24, papillon wrote: Why on earth - if you want to make a point - did you use an absolutely ridiculous line, attribute it to people who don't use real silver coins as what must surely be about their only available option, and think you have made a point? I hope you don't really believe that. Quote:
What surprises me in this topic is that everyone admits using these fake coins, or thinks it is normal, while as soon as a knock off-illusion topic starts everybody jumps on it to talk about the ethics. You are kidding, right? Real silver coins are not marketed effects to be ripped off! Do you really not see the difference here? Quote:
You have the opportunity of showing people a peace of history.Instead of imitating it you have the duty to reserve it. According to whose standards. Yours? Please write out your reasons why people should follow your standards.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts
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On 2011-04-09 04:51, Tom Fenton wrote: Thanks. I did see pictures of this shell. I was wondering what some owners of this shell thought.
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts
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On 2011-04-09 14:11, ralphs007 wrote: I have bought other Johnson real Silver ]'s from the Magic Warehouse and they are quite serviceable. The Bigs (Lassen, etc.) don't usually sell exp]'s without the matching coins because there is so much variation in the size (because of wear). As a result, the Johnson ]'s are purposely machined so that they will fit the vast majority of coins, which, in turn means that there may be a somewhat noticeable gap if you flip over the coin. Also, Morgan coins vary in color, relief (or grade if you collect coins) and thickness, which is why many want to buy a whole set from Lassen or others rather than searching through old silver bins (if they still exist with silver prices so high) to look for good matches to your ]. Having said that, for most routines, the Johnson product will work just fine. Regards, Alan |
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts
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Thanks Alan.
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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papillon Regular user 104 Posts
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Are these coins more fragile, or just not?
Does it take dents more easyly than silver coins? For instance in a miser's dream routine, showing a sliver coin. but dropping a fake one, as they will not be seen so open out as the one that gets produced everytime... |
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rdwinc New user 70 Posts
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You can buy Morgans on ebay - below "melt" value. http://www.coinflation.com shows you a break down of day to day market value.
It's not to hard to get one for $25, with a melt value of $31.68 - it's not a bad deal..
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mitchb2 Elite user 455 Posts
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The fake Morgans arrived from China already. I've never handled real Morgans so I can't compare. They look decent enough. They talk just like Eisenhowers, but then I didn't expect a $2 coin to be soft.
Overall, I think it was $10 well spent (free shipping) and they're just something new and different to look at. |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts
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On 2011-04-10 14:37, papillon wrote: My silver Morgan dollars are softer (more likely to dent) than my Chinese Morgan dollars. As to your first question, I have never had a coin of any kind break (other than a gimmick coin or ]) so I don't think you could describe either real silver or chinese fake as "fragile". I would think these fake coins would make an excellent choice for a miser's dream routine as the sound of the bucket or tray will mask any strange coin sounds (many people use tokens or palming coins anyway for their miser's dream routines). Regards, Alan |
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mitchb2 Elite user 455 Posts
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Two of the five coins are darker and look tarnished, and the other three are shiny. I like the darker coins. Anything I can do to make the others look tarnished?
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts
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Ahh, I bought mine here on the Café. I bought 4 tarnished and 4 shiny. They were sold as such. Since they are so cheap, perhaps you could buy more "tarnished" to match. There are several threads here on the Café discussing how to darken coins, but I'm not sure what metals are involved with these coins and you would have to experiment.
I agree with you that the "tarnished" look better. Regards, Alan |
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