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Fez New user 71 Posts 
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Hello. I didn't know if this was the proper place to post this. I've been trolling for a while, and even though I became a member a while back, I really haven't posted anything.
Anyways back to the point. I've been doing magic for a few years now, but around 6 months ago I got serious with coin magic. I guess I just like the fact that I could amaze people by using an object that exchanges so many peoples' hands; and something that majority of people don't give thought to. But I am running out of tricks. I've pretty much learned from trial and error and pretty much self-taught. I was looking to expand my knowledge of tricks. The problem is, where do I start!? I find myself OVER-WHELMED when I try to research on books, DVDs and lecture notes. What I am trying to find is a good book/DVD (DVD preferably) on coin sleights and using tricks using flippers and ['s. And just to put it out there, I have a 1964 Kennedy gravity flipper (Lassen), 1964 Kennedy [, and a few soft silver coins including Morgans. I appreciate the help. |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3102 Posts
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Bobo's Modern Coin Magic is kind of considered to be the Bible for coin workers - it's a must have for any serious coin worker.
I really enjoy David Roth's Ultimate Coin Magic and Expert Coin Magic Made Easy DVDs. You can't go wrong with his teachings, and he's got a fair amount of good material out there. Dean Dill has some great work on flippers and [ coins. Extreme Dean one and two both have some very cool [ routines, as well as some nice Matrix variations. His "Flip It" DVD has several flipper routines, and those are all available on http://www.deandill.com. L&L has a DVD out on [ coins as well, in their World's Greatest Magic Series. It has some nice variations with different performers like Michael Ammar, Garrett Thomas and Harry Allen, among others. Hope that helps!
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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Andrew thank you for your help. I had another question: how would you rate Sick! by Ponta the Smith?
From the reviews I've read it seems like it is very difficult and not good for beginners, is that true? |
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Hare Veteran user 323 Posts
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Sick! handles some classic routines, but Ponta's skill level is high, and beyond most beginning mortal hands.
I think the very best book to keep you afloat and not lost in too-much material that is too-vaguely explained is the superb "The Amateur Magician's Handbook", by Henry Hay. I think there is a virtual version of it available now, and Ebay often has copies for sale. It was last in regular print in the late 90's. Bobo's big tome has years worth of learning, but the trouble with it is it is often obtuse and confusing. It also lacks any sort of organized learning approach...it's a chaotic hodgepodge of sleights. Hay's book is very specific, with wonderful tips that you keep returning too for many years, and also covers theory and a building-on-what you learn sort of approach. It let's you know what is important. Few books on coin magic do this. There was a general "If you could pick one magic book to take to a desert island" thread a few years back here. Guess which book came out on top? The Amateur Magician's Handbook's best section is it's Coin Hand Magic, but the whole thing us so wonderfully written, that it can hold it's own in any general appraisal of magical volumes.
"Better described in The Amateur Magician's Handbook"
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whiteoakcanyon Special user 899 Posts
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I would also encourage you to look at DVDs by Eric Jones. He has some great coin material on the market.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4915 Posts
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If you want shell routines, I have a TON of stuff on it!
 P.M. me for more info! |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts
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I agree with the recomendation of Bobo's and the Hay book (which many prefer to Bobo's). I have both and would not be without either. If you find books overwhelming, Ben Salinas has an excellent DVD set showing you how to do the slights and moves from Bobo's (from several camera angles).
I think it was Curtis Kam here on the Café that recommended Shigeo Futagawa - Introduction to Coin Magic. Based on that recommendation I bought it fairly cheaply off of Amazon, and I found it to be interesting because it includes exercises and shows you how to learn coin magic (as opposed to a simple recitation of the moves). Alan |
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volto Special user 603 Posts
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Books: Bobos, Hay, "Principles And Deceptions" by Arthur Buckley, "Expert Coin Magic" by David Roth.
General DVDs: The Roth "Expert Coin Magic Made Easy" DVD set is fantastic. The Ben Salinas Modern Coin Magic 4 DVD set is great. It can really help with some of the more peculiar stuff in Bobo's to see it done well. I think this has the broadest range of effects, but I might be wrong. Also, Eric Jones' "Metal" DVD is excellent. It's fairly short compared to the two above, but he goes over all the basics, and adds a few interesting/advanced moves and routines to whet your appetite. Very solid teaching. If you only get one of these, I'd get the Roth set. It's the broadest foundation with some advanced stuff in there too. But they're all great. Flipper Stuff: "Flipped Out" by Craig Petty has great material and is good value. "Empowerment" is an especially powerful routine where you "teach" a spectator how to do a coins across routine into another spectator's hands. This is great for a lot of reasons, but mostly because you're interacting in a really positive way with the audience. "An Extension Of Me" by Eric Jones has some really great coin material including his amazing "Oxyclean coin routine" - which is close to being the perfect three coin production and vanish. If you only get one? Get "Flipped Out" because it's such good value with loads of flipper effects. Sounds like it's exactly what you want. If you want inspiration on the "pure sleight of hand" side, Ponta's "Sick" is great, but bear in mind some of that stuff is unattainable for most magicians. Another great "pure sleight" inspiration is Mickey Silver - take a look at his videos and notes in the "Nothing up my sleeve" section: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=3&167 Again, unattainable for most, but it shows what's possible. |
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 747 Posts
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Fez,
Send me your address in a PM and I'll shoot a signed copy of Modern Coin Magic to you.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Coin Flinger
www.SalinasMagic.com The Modern Coin Magic blog www.ModernCoinMagic.com |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-29 21:40, Hare wrote: Hare thanks a lot for your help. I will check out Bobo's and the Amateur Magician's Handbook. |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-29 21:46, whiteoakcanyon wrote: Thank you whitecanyonoak, I was actually looking at some of Eric Jones' DVDs such as Metal. Which DVD(s) would you suggest? |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-29 22:06, David Neighbors wrote: PM sent! Thanks and appreciate the help! |
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts
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On 2011-03-30 11:16, BenSalinas wrote: Awesome offer from a very generous magician! Thanks for all you do here on the Café. Alan |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-30 00:55, BanzaiMagic wrote: Thank you for your help. I guess Ben Salinas is giving me a generous offer! Thanks again for your help! |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-30 06:00, volto wrote: Wow thanks a lot for all of that information. It seems from what everyone has said so far, I think my skill level is far from even attempting any of the tricks on Sick, especially because Ponta uses pure sleights in that DVD and no gaffed coins. Thanks again for your help! I will also check out Bobo's since I've heard it mentioned repeatedly as well as Modern Coin Magic from Ben Salinas. |
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Fez New user 71 Posts
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On 2011-03-30 11:16, BenSalinas wrote: I am speechless! Thank you very much for the generosity! Quote:
On 2011-03-30 12:56, BanzaiMagic wrote: Agreed 100%! |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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Stick with the graciousness of Ben Salinas here as to his Modern Coin Magic 4-DVD set, it's great. That and the Bobo and Hay books mentioned by Hare should take you for miles and miles. I'm not a big gaff guy but they can be fun and offer some trap doors to some amazing magic but take my advice and learn the sleights well first and foremost, then mix & match regular coins with gaff stuff and you'll have all you need and then some. When you get through playing a bit, pick yourselr out 4-5 effects you like and work on perfecting them until you can do it in your sleep and just do those for specsa and that will be all yo need. Just be very good at a few effects and you'll be pretty good at this stuff and save yourself a lot of headache and cash.
in general, SICK is a wonderful DVD but definitely a few floors up for you at this point. It's nice to work at and be inspired by but the real work is work, really and then some. You have some good hardware already, you can do tons of stuff with that. I can do a lot of effects but usually only do 3-4 of them tops, the few I like doing the most. They are always more than enough to amaze anywhere, anytime. I can admire but I don't chase every sparkle, evry cute trinket any more, so glad I've gotten to that point, it is a point of higher perspective as to this & that, along with realizing what I have in my own backpocket already. Enjoy the journey.
Oh, and Welcome to the Café FEZ.
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic
"Believe in YOU, and you will see the greatest magic that ever was." -Mb 
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BarryTX Regular user 133 Posts
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Fez,
As another coin student, let me make a recommendation that may save you some money. Look carefully for used copies of the books and DVDs you want for your collection. By hunting all the usual places, like ebay, Amazon used book sellers, etc., I found a number of the recommended books at a fraction of the new or even 'normal used' cost. My hardback Bobo and Hay books were found this way. I even found a like brand-new first edition of David Roth's Expert Coin Magic being sold at the same price as newer used editions - that is my home run I guess. One thing I won't do is buy any bootlegged items - which are usually identifiable by the price and location. But I have picked up several good used magic DVDs that I wanted by hunting a bit. And of course, if I didn't find it after a reasonable search, I bought it new, the Ben Salinas Modern Coin Magic DVDs as an example. Also be sure to check out Vinny Marini's site at vinnymarini.com. He has some great downloads available from some great coin magicians who are active here on the Café, and they are bargain learning tools. Vinny, Tim Feher, Marion Boykin and others have been extremely generous with help and encouragement. Anyway, you can spend a fortune on reference materials and while it is all worth it, if I can limit it to a small fortune rather than a big one that leaves more to spend on....coins and gaffs!
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whiteoakcanyon Special user 899 Posts
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In response to your earlier question, I would highly recommend Metal as a good general coin DVD by Eric Jones. Bobo's is an amazing resource and one you will often refer to. Good luck and enjoy.
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brian314 Regular user Michigan 112 Posts
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Is the JW grip mentioned anywhere in Bobo?
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