On 2011-06-03 15:18, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
Thank you for acknowledging my thoughts. Let me clarify one aspect of my thoughts... I will not be able to completely say whether or not this product was worth $35 because I didn't pay for it. I won a pre-release copy at Jay's BTR Youtube Event when the product was first launched for pre-order (I can honestly assure you, however, that this did not affect my review of the product and I reviewed based on an honest opinion. I feel the need to clarify this because I typically hear of people feeling as though they are required to write good reviews of products they obtain for free). So, having not paid for it, I of course cannot day for sure whether or not the product would be worth $35 to me as I personally did not spend the $35 on it.

On 2011-06-04 02:30, Ray Chelt wrote:


And every time I see any of Jays BS advertising it washes off me like water off a ducks back.

On 2011-06-04 02:30, Ray Chelt wrote:
Good Marketing ???

You know I have to fervently disagree with that.

Where people get burnt is by the over enthusiastic encouragement of others to buy effects.

I haven't bought a Sankey Product in an age because this re-hashing is nothing new . And every time I see any of Jays BS advertising it washes off me like water off a ducks back. BUT...there are the usual suspects every time who jump in and egg each other on with "this is the best thing ever" blah blah blah.

A 2 year old should be able to see through Sankey now regardless of how good or not his advertising is.

Some pointers for the hard of understanding

On the Sankey site filter through the effects---see how any are beginner, intermediate or advanced--can you see they are mostly beginner---are you a beginner? no ?. So potentially only buy an effect if you are the type of dope that needs Sankey to spell out to you the multiple effects you could do with a shuttle pass -- i.e. look here's a trick that, when I pass this coin from one hand to the other, something magical happens. And now here's a new trick where something magical happens when a pass 2 paper-clips from hand to another. Its the same basic trick !!! But for people who can't make the leap then Sankey is your man.

Look at the free videos on Jay's site ---like em much--kind of thing a idiot with half a brain could have thought of---happy with the concept that these videos were once sold to people as effects on earlier DVD's. yes this is the stuff people have raved on in the past. Really !!!

Incidentally the effect on the site for free at the moment is from Strong Medicine and again is one for the unimaginative. You tear a corner off a bill it appears somewhere else, then you restore the bill. But the underlying principle is one that everybody knows...this is just a minor variation on it. In fact its almost as if Jay is selling 101 tricks with a TT individually and the suckers are lapping it up.

So great marketing--No. Idiot Purchasers ---Yes.

On 2011-06-04 10:25, Ray Chelt wrote:
Silent :-

2 Things ---

I am not sure you can accuse Sankey of bonus claims--yep he gets over excited and uses language that may over sell his creations but on the other hand, with his demos etc etc., you can see exactly the kind of thing he's offering.

And by your own admission you saw that also and rationalised it away.

So hard luck but I still stand by the fact that Jay isn't co-ercing people into buying his stuff , its people getting ridiculously excited about the hype without looking past it. And to his credit its a darn sight easier to see past Jay Sankeys hype than it is with other sellers out there.

So I don't buy the misleading advertising or the psychological pushes...I just buy that people get excited for the next new thing...when in reality there hasn't been much new in Magic in the last century.