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derrick Inner circle I dug holes for 1044 Posts 
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I only post this for informational purposes and am not admitting that I have ever used it for running rude teens away. I found a little ap that I may or may not have for my iphone called MosquitoPlus. It creates an irritating high pitched noise that only teens and under can hear. From what I understand it is extrememly irritating. It drives my 14 year old nuts. Now if there are a lot of kids, one probably wouldn't want to play with this thing, but if there is only one that is just giving you fits, you can hit this app and it will drive them a good distance away - I'm guessing. Anyone from about 18 and up won't have a clue anything has happened because as one gets older, they lose this range of hearing. In fact, the malls here currently use his same technology to keep teens from congregating in and around their front doors. Just some high tech information that I thought some might find useful if not entertaining.
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts
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On 2011-04-08 15:45, calvan wrote: Ok... I'm dying to know.. Are you serious? If you get caught, you bust out a criss cut force? Quote:
I only post this for informational purposes and am not admitting that I have ever used it for running rude teens away. I found a little ap that I may or may not have for my iphone called MosquitoPlus. It creates an irritating high pitched noise that only teens and under can hear. From what I understand it is extrememly irritating. It drives my 14 year old nuts. Now if there are a lot of kids, one probably wouldn't want to play with this thing, but if there is only one that is just giving you fits, you can hit this app and it will drive them a good distance away - I'm guessing. Anyone from about 18 and up won't have a clue anything has happened because as one gets older, they lose this range of hearing. In fact, the malls here currently use his same technology to keep teens from congregating in and around their front doors. Just some high tech information that I thought some might find useful if not entertaining. That was hilarious... I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.. Thank you! |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts
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On 2011-04-08 00:06, elimagic wrote: Chris handled the situation fine, but you can't start a thread like this without being judged on your actions. Not for the purpose of saying "wow, you screwed up," or "Dude, you're a god!," but this in an exercise in "if this happened to me, what would I do?" I think that's what most people are doing here, in their own way. It's very helpful to think through these things in advance, so thanks to Chris for throwing the scenario out there.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3504 Posts
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Chris handled the situation fine, but you can't start a thread like this without being judged on your actions. Not for the purpose of saying "wow, you screwed up," or "Dude, you're a god!," but this in an exercise in "if this happened to me, what would I do?" I think that's what most people are doing here, in their own way. It's very helpful to think through these things in advance, so thanks to Chris for throwing the scenario out there. Well said. |
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RJ Hunt Elite user Lakeland, FL 466 Posts
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On 2011-04-06 02:50, Andrew Musgrave wrote: What a buzz kill...LOL...I think CL did the right thing and it's pretty funny too if you think it about...I mean after all he did ask the kid, "have you ever seen..." And he delivered...BRAVO!!! |
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts
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How sad to read so many folks agreeing with Chris's handling of this situation. All Chris did was to show everyone at the table that he was upset, and made a lame remark in a misguided attempt to "put the kid in his place". If I were the kid's father, I would have been rather upset at Chris's reaction, and I'm sure the kid was either upset, or concluded that magicians are unentertaining fakes, perhaps both.
As someone who performs for kids all the time, I can assure you all, this was NOT the best way to handle the situation. For a start, you need to realise that few 10-year olds are actually rude, and this kid certainly wasn't. He merely saw the magic as a challenge. Evidently, he doesn't understand that magic as a performing art is usually there to be enjoyed as a spectacle, not as a puzzle. That's not his fault - Chris could have easily won him over, with the right attitude and knowledge of how to handle kids like this. The most important thing of all, is not to get upset if someone busts you. Laugh about it, be delighted that your audience has one over on you - at this point, that's how they're feeling, so reinforce that. That's entertainment. Then, you can get a little conspiratorial, and perhaps suggest to the kid that you do a trick together - thus allowing the kid to become the performer, and to fool his parents. There are dozens of effects which allow the spectator to "do the magic"....e.g. "The Shuffling Lesson" from "Magic for Dummies". This effect would have been the perfect way to leave the whole table on a high. To first show off your own skills, and then to have the kid get one up on you....and very possibly to change the way he thinks about magic. Really, thinking that someone who busts you on your performance is being rude, shows that you're more concerned about impressing folks with your cleverness, than entertaining them. Learn to take it on the chin - and realise that accepting the challenge to show something they can't figure out isn't neccessarily a great way to go either. Folks like this are more likely to be irritated if they can't figure out a trick. Whereas allowing them to become the magician (even if you have to do all the work) will almost certainly bring them great joy, and show your total professionalism. |
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts
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We were not there to know everything that took place. I am sure there are several ways to have handled it. I do not believe there to be only one way. Different personalities and other variable dictate what could be done.
I don't think the way he handled it was a bad thing. I was not present at the time. I have left tables that wanted to just challenge me before and I will do it again. I am there to entertain, not be hassled. If someone was playing a guitar to entertain the folks and someone felt they should yell out "There's an F, now a G, hey, now he hit an A minor." Should the musician stay and take it or move to others who will appreciate and be entertained by his music? You can't convert everyone. Life's too short to try.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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It's very obvious to me from those who commented in this thread who works in restaurants and who does not...
To those who have been saying I should have said "Shh! Don't tell anybody! We magicians have to stick together!" and give the kid a wink in an attempt to to try and win this kid over, if you read my original post then you'll all see that I tried to do exactly that. Had this young man said that YES!, he was a magician then I would have embraced it. This is NOT what occured... The child informed me that he was not a magician and that he enjoys watching "how to magic videos" and that nothing I could do would fool him and to "throw something else at him" as I would NOT be able to fool him. When I was growing up, if I had talked like that to an adult then my father would have knocked some sense into me right then and there. Of course, back in then it was acceptable to displine your child in public. This had nothing to do with ego and being busted nor does it have to do with tightening up my chops. I can watch the most technically gifted sleight of hand performer and 9 times out of 10, I can follow what's going on. I watched Kent's routines that he posted. I thought they were awesome! Very nice. However, I was able to follow most (not all) of what was going on. Does this mean that Kent needs to "tighten up his chops" b/c of me? Of course not. Does it mean that if I watch someone do an ACR, that they need to tighten up their chops b/c I can follow a DL? Not at all. If you understand method then you can pretty much follow just about anything. Now executing it is differnt, but that's for another discussion! 
For me, it was all about respect. A child should never speak with disrespect to another adult and if they do, there "should" be consequences from that child's parents. I decided it was best to leave the table for several reasons. First, we were packed and I just simply didn't have the time when other tables are waving me down, servers are coming to me and saying "Table 9 wants you when you have a minute," etc. Secondly, situations like this never end well. By accepting a challenge, you're accepting a confrontation. It's not our place to be confrontational. My job is to entertain the customers which is exactly what I did. There's no rule that says I must perform a certain amount of routines per table like there's not a rule that I must visit every single table. I had an entire dining room to entertain so I chose to move along. I handled the situation very professionaly, was polite and left on a funny moment... Christopher
In Mystery,
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2393 Posts
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On 2011-04-11 02:12, Potty the Pirate wrote: I usually agree with you Doug, but especially on the above point I must disagree. I regularly run into 10 year olds that are not only rude, but act if they have no clue what politeness is. Perhaps there is a cultural divide here. I’ve always thought Brits had a reputation of being polite. Maybe they even teach it to their children. Imagine that. By the way, I’m not necessarily complaining about this impolite trend. As a children’s entertainer I could let this really upset me. But, If you look at it the right way, its kind of funny! Besides, I only have to put up with the child for a short amount of time, it’s the parents that have deal with it 24/7.
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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Doug is from across the pond and cannot comment with any competence on American children's behavior. There is a difference Doug....
Over here in the states there are plenty of rude children and the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree....
In Mystery,
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Bad to the Balloon Inner circle Clearwater Florida 2116 Posts
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Along these lines....
I was busking at the beach the other day. I use the large climb in balloons which I blow up prior to my show. I hang it high on a light pole, as an interest gather. 4 to 5 year old came running up to touch the balloon and I asked "please don't touch the balloon" Father walks over with an attitude " Well you shouldn't have a large balloon and not expect people to want to touch it" REALLY!???!? So the glass blower shouldn't have glass out on a table. The sword swallower shouldn't display his items unless children can play with them. The spray paint artist should just give the paint cans out too. slapthestupidpeople.org
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts
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As stated before, you did the right thing Christopher. Taking a 10 year old up on a challenge is not a mature way of handling it. As for people saying you were rude, the child was the rude one. You left with a joke and possibly revealed to the child that his behavior was rude. Maybe he'll behave better the next time he sees a magician but I doubt it if the parents just sit there and let him behave that way.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3504 Posts
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The child informed me that he was not a magician and that he enjoys watching "how to magic videos" and that nothing I could do would fool him and to "throw something else at him" as I would NOT be able to fool him. Doesn't sound rude to me at all. Sounds like a confident 10 year old. Is it rude to challenge a magician? People do this all the time and we often encourage it. It's a wonderful part of many routines when the spectator grabs a card and turns it over but finds out he is wrong. When I've been "busted" I always feel upset. Heck I practically cry (I tear up when nervous which is really amabarrasing). But when I think about it later I realize that it is my job to stay ahead of the audience. Youtube is absolutely making this harder but if we can't stay ahead of them we are out of business. I'm not saying I could have handled it better, I'm not saying Chris could have handled it better, I'm saying our goal should be to handle it better. |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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On 2011-04-11 13:16, prestopresto wrote: You were not there and me typing out the situation will not make it play out the way it did that evening. The child was RUDE! He had an attitude problem. There was a disrespecting tone to his voice. The child was rude! Nuff said!
In Mystery,
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts
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Chris, yes there are cultural differences. But having lived in the States for some years, and worked aboard cruise ships with predominantly American passengers, I can assure you American kids are no different to British kids. Your story belies a lack of understanding of child psychology, and that's what good family entertainers really should think about. Nothing you've said convinces me this kid was rude - but even if he was, there was no reason to react the way you did. Essentially, you behaved like a child yourself, got upset that your clever magic didn't impress, and stomped off.
The way to project a professional image is to make these kids love you, and believe me, the technical content of what the kid said actually screams: "I know about magic, please love me!" You didn't "get" this, you just found him rude and insulting. Instead of offering your happiness and joy that he understands what you do, you took offense, and tried to put him down. He is a child, you're an adult. Like a good teacher, a magician who really understands kids will always win them over. I'm afraid in this instance, you failed to be the professional that you might one day be. Read my previous post again, and think about the possibility of winning the kid over instead of taking offense. |
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Bad to the Balloon Inner circle Clearwater Florida 2116 Posts
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Sooo this is the wrong response??
http://youtu.be/Mw0YzBFmxIw
Mark Byrne
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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Potty,
You know absolutely nothing about me, my background or my education. All you know of me is what my bio says on my website and from my ramblings on the web. You are in no way qualified to make an assumption that "I don't know how to handle children" and I know very little about child psychology when you know nothing of me. I'll have you know that in college, I studied child psychology and for a time was going to major in it until I altered my plans to get a business degree. So for you (and others) to say that I don't know what I'm talking about couldn't be further from the truth! Also being a father of two, it tends to give me a bit of knowledge on the inner workings of a child's mind. I love kids. I perform in schools, childcare centers, bday's etc. and have for over 25 years now. This is also why I prefer to work in Family Restaurants as appose to fine dining or bars. I enjoy performing for children. In closing, I refuse to drag myself into an argument with you. There was nothing wrong with the way I handled this situation. If you disagree, then so be it. It doesn't make how I handled it wrong, just that you disagree with it.
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1424 Posts
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Maybe the kid just didn't like you. Maybe his parents didn't like you either.
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derrick Inner circle I dug holes for 1044 Posts
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Potty, I have read your posts for a very long time now and come to respect you as a seasoned performer and have no doubt you put on an entertaining show but to say a rude 10-year-old doesn't exist that you can't make love you and that cannot be won over with ones happiness and joy is just ........REALLY? You're like a child whisperer?
If you can perform this miracle with every rude, misbehaving, ill mannered child, then your talents are being HORRIBLY wasted. You're badly needed at the middle east peace talks, yesterday. I'll foot the bill personally to get you there if I can take out a life insurance policy on you before you go. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts
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Quote: But... I need everyone to love me! On 2011-04-11 16:46, Mac_Stone wrote: 
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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