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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2016, Tim Cavendish wrote: The archive has been invaluable resource innumerable times for me. Sometimes one cannot remember where something is explained. I should add that if one prefers DVDs, the Jay Ose cut is presented on the "False Shuffles and Cuts Project" DVD from BBM. That DVD is also included in Liam Montier's "Essential Card magic Toolbox" collection. That is one of my best purchases. Phil |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, magicfish wrote: Discovering an item as you read a book is a passive incident. Looking it up on a database, then going to the book to learn that item, is not. These are both value-neutral actions. |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
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On Oct 21, 2019, docguitarman wrote: I looked it up, and the sleight (5th method) described on page 26 is a one-handed pass and there's no mention of cutting multiple packets. Am I missing something?
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Francois Lagrange wrote: I just checked and my edition (10th) shows the "Fifth Method" in conjunction with "Fig. 14" which depicts the four piles on the table. Phil |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
Ah, OK, thanks. On my edition (1978) the sleight you describe is on page 30.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Incorrect. When studying a magic book, I will be told by the author to reference another book for a description of a certain sleight or move. I then remove that book from my shelf and discover it. It is an intentional, deliberate search for an item from its source. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
"Looking it up on a database..."
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, magicfish wrote: Definitely a fun and fulfilling way to study magic! |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, magicfish wrote: Very cool, my man. |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Francois Lagrange wrote: You're welcome Francois! The part of Hoffman's description that I couldn't grasp this time around was holding the break with the right hand little finger. Couldn't figure out how to drop cards off that way. The thumb break with biddle grip is easy for me. If you try it I would be interested in your feedback! Phil |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Is there another way? |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, docguitarman wrote: Hi Phil, yes your handling is easier. The sequence gives the impression of the packets being cut and reassembled haphazardly, which I believe is good. By keeping the palm edge (in the prolongment of the little finger that is) on or close to the table top, one should be able to mask the thumb break. Here's a variation of the Jay Ose Cut I devised decades ago that you might like: Hold the pack in hand and swing cut the top quarter to the bottom. Keep a break between both packets. A few seconds later, follow, like in the Ose Cut, by cutting all the cards above the break into 3 packets onto the table; carry on by dropping all the cards left in hand (original top packet) onto the leftmost packet and reassemble the packets like in the Ose Cut. In my opinion, this handling will fool observant lay people. If you don’t perform the preparatory swing cut before executing the sequence, it’ll simulate a multiple cut when it’s in fact a straight cut.
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Francois Lagrange wrote: Hi Francois, I like your variation on the Ose Cut a lot. The starting swing cut adds a lot more cover. I think I'll make it plus my Hoffmann variation among the ways I'll cut during a performance. Also, thanks for the improvement on my method. I was holding all three fingers (2nd, 3rd and 4th) on the front of pack -- letting the little finger drop onto right side of pack is a big improvement! Phil |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, magicfish wrote: There are so many ways to study magic! That’s one of its fundamental joys. Something for everyone. |
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Recoplon Loyal user 262 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2019, Francois Lagrange wrote: Interesting variation indeed. Anybody know if it is described in print or video anywhere?? |
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
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On Nov 20, 2019, Mb217 wrote: Absolutely ingenious in it's design and Vinnie performed it smoothly and without a hitch. I've tried doing this cut and it is not as easy as Vinnie makes it look. Sort like a professional golfer's swing which looks easy, smooth, and graceful as they're controlling the ball's direction and spin. I'll have to keep practicing this cut. |
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
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On Dec 10, 2012, vinsmagic wrote: What source can I find that describes this false cut? I did a search on ConjuringArchive.com and found this result: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/ad......&people= Is it the 1985 Fred Braue Notebooks page 28? https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=52010 |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Nov 24, 2019, magicwiia wrote: It's not a false cut. It's Charlie Miller's table pass. |
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
Thank you Rupert!! Found it in two different books that describe the move.
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