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On 2011-04-09 16:35, Jimmy Vee wrote:
Pete,

Currently, I'm moving my lips. I haven't figured out how to add ventriloquism to the cups and balls yet... Maybe a little distant voice from under a cup. I'll work on that.

Jimmy

Jay Johnson did something like that with the shell game. The pea spoke and as he mixed up the shells, the pea said over and over "I'm over here" rapidly as the shells moved around. He did a great job with the actual shell routine, which Harry Anderson taught him. This must have been about 30 years ago on a talk show.
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On 2011-04-28 17:59, Bill Palmer wrote:
The Don Alan routine was not a chop routine.

Chanin's routine is not in the hardbound book.

So then, is Paul Harris's Beanie Weenie Routine a Chop Cup routine?

What makes a trick a Chop Cup routine? I guess you are basing your entire definition on the special cup.
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DUH?

That's right. If it doesn't have a chop cup, it isn't a chop cup routine.

If it doesn't have a chop cup, it becomes a one cup and ball routine. There were one cup and ball routines way before there were chop cups. Look in Tarbell for the Crandall routine.

The Beanie Weenie routine, (which is NOT Paul Harris's) is not a chop cup routine. It's actually a solid cup routine, like the Takagi routine or the Wolfsberger routine. The Beanie Weenie routine is David Williamson's.

The best of these, IMHO, is Lonnie Chevrie's, which was done with a can of pudding and had a climax that would knock your socks off!

Posted: May 9, 2011 1:49pm
I should also add that the Don Alan Fez routine has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the chop cup. It's root is Malini's production of a block of ice. Malini used a soft felt hat. Don Alan used a soft felt Fez.
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The premise is the same, where is the coin or which coin is under hat. As in chop cup, which ball is where. Then the surprise production of a large item. Different props, same premise. With the Fez, just no jumping and penetrating of items prior to the production.

If someone asked, what did Don Alan do with that Fez, I would respond with, a sort of Chop Cup routine. A bit of a guessing game with a surprise ending.
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And you would be wrong.

You are making really far-fetched comparisons.

The Fez has more in common with the glass through the table than it does with a chop cup. For one thing, there are various moves and principles involved with the chop cup that are not involved with the Fez. The Fez in some form or another has been around for at least a century. The chop cup is relatively recent, roughly 60 years or so.

I won't mention the obvious principle that separates the chop cup from the rest of the one cup or one cover routines.

"Magic Product Expert". HAH!

Posted: May 9, 2011 6:35pm
I apologize in advance for actually calling Wm Hegbli a Magic Product Expert.
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No need to get rude Bill Palmer, seems you cannot carry on a conversation. You are only show how little you are. Not a very friendly person. Just show you like to wear blinders, and have nothing to offer except insults. To bad!

The effects are the same, get over it.
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I'm sure he'll get over it. However the Don Alan Fez routine is not the same as a chop cup routine.
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I did not say they are the same, I said the [b]routine]/b] is the same.
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On 2011-05-10 02:43, wmhegbli wrote:
I did not say they are the same, I said the [b]routine]/b] is the same.

You said the premise & effects were the same. Not sure what a [b]routine]/b] is but I'm willing to learn. Smile
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I cannot see how an effect that doesn't use a chop cup can be called a chop cup routine.

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It's possible to do a chop cup routine without a chop cup but somethings gonna have to be chopped.
I use my finger.
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This is going nowhere. Just like politics, if you have your mind made up nothing will change it.
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On 2011-05-09 11:09, Bill Palmer wrote:
The Beanie Weenie routine, (which is NOT Paul Harris's) is not a chop cup routine. It's actually a solid cup routine, like the Takagi routine or the Wolfsberger routine. The Beanie Weenie routine is David Williamson's.


In the book "Las Vegas close-Up" by Paul Harris, page 10, titled "Uncanny" uses a Beenie Weenie can to perform a sealed Chop Cup routine. Published in 1978, I use to perform it in a bar. Not a fancy cup, but very entertaining.
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It was still David Williamson's routine.
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On 2011-05-13 13:35, Bill Palmer wrote:
It was still David Williamson's routine.


Where is it in print or on video?
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Fred Lowe Rainbow Cups and Balls Pentagram Vol. 12, No. 2 and (same) Rainbow Cups and Balls New Pentagram Vol. 16, No. 5 offers a routine with multicolor balls and a Fez which takes part in the routine. If one wishes, it's possible to build an act where the Fez is also used as an egg bag (possibly not in sequence but interwaved). It can be chopped and another type of "egg" can be used (hotel white soap, large -rubber- white mushroom...)
Abdul's Fez. Nielsen’s fez has always been a logical and popular egg bag gimmick. It lends itself to comedy, interesting patter and is more visual than the normal egg bag. They have revamped their fez and it has a bright new look. It is made of quality red felt with an antique gold tassel. An internal stiffening material has been added so it holds its shape.
Abdul's fez is a great 2 - 4 minutes of colorful and surprising magic. Included are the fez, a wooden egg, and the basic Nielsen Routine. Also included, are Wilfred Tyler's and Eric Lewis' routine with an ostrich end kicker
Lewis, Trevor: Uncut - The Complete Party Pieces. Trevor's professional children's magic developed over 20 years and including the Fez Egg Bag
Ayling, Will: Knowing the Egg Bag Supreme "Know-How" Series 1988 Supreme Magic Co. Paper, stapled, p 24 The Illusive Egg in a Hat Bag: A routine for the Fez Hat Egg Bag (like Nielsen Magic's Abdul's Fez)
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