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New Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3ZmmERpos

Doing the HE 1-3 stacking example from AMCDs Arcanum Booklet.

regards,
Joey
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How could I miss the latest video? But then again there was a lot of stuff going on for me over the last few weeks, so maybe its no wonder I keep missing bits and pieces. I really like the stacking video. I cant talk about the methods as I do not own the Arcanum Booklet, but I also play around with similiar scenarios, stacking for Hold`Em. I am using some formulas Jeff Wessmiller discussed either here or on his blog. Do you restrain your stacking to the players and the flop or do you also go for a late luck during turn and river? Anyways, keep up the good work, its always fun to watch your videos!

All the best,
Sven ^^
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Great videos....
But, this one was "private" :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDvOHAAPYt0
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New Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaa_DccYm78

just a short sequence to control the bottom stock, hope you like it Smile
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Same move but slightly different handling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rsWu49sKo
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Nicely done Joey!

What camera do you use? It's time for me to shoot more seriously...
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Thank you Smile
Canon EOS 550D with a 50 mm 1.8 prime lense. However at the moment you get the follow up model (600D) for the same price.
Let me know if I can help.
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I'm more into Nikon, but looks like Canon is great for videos.

Do you use umbrellas for light, any reflector? Any flash? Sorry for the questions, but I can see so many so-called "professional" videos which look like *** compared to yours (no I won't name any...).

You can use private ways if you want to Smile.
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I'm more into Nikon, but looks like Canon is great for videos.

I like using DSLR's for video because you can achieve a pretty cinematic look very easily for a reasonable price. Plus you have the advantage of using different lenses. "Real" video cameras are a lot more expensive. Might be a better option to rent one for a couple days.

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Do you use umbrellas for light, any reflector? Any flash?

I don't own any professional lighting equipment, I'm a poor student after all Smile
The lights I use cost about $10-15. A nice large piece of white cardboard works well enough as a reflector.
For the video I posted, I used only one light directly above the table. Nothing fancy Smile

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but I can see so many so-called "professional" videos which look like *** compared to yours

Thank you.
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The trailer made me bust out a deck of Aristocrats. Cheers Joey, looks fantastic
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Great work Joey, as usual.
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Hey man, I love the controls, loved them ever since I saw them in Z's hands and on 52.

Thing is, you're going to be selling this on the T11 Wire? Am I wrong or are they not your moves? Did you ask those you learned them from if you could teach them for profit?
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On Mar 5, 2014, splice wrote:
Am I wrong or are they not your moves? Did you ask those you learned them from if you could teach them for profit?


This one is precious!

T11, 52, X inc. or Y company, Did they ask themselves to the owners before releasing them for money? I doubt. I can tell it for sure, some sleights are mine!

Here's one for you. In 52 you can see demonstrated a "Mexican Joe" shift which is not a "Mexican Joe" shift, not the one demonstrated by Vernon in Revelations at least. But if you look closely it's what I called the KD shift, which I "invented/devised" myself many many years ago. It's been detailed or mentioned nowhere in the literature and as far as I know I've been the first one (and the only one) to demonstrate it on video (on various public forums) many years before 52, for instance here, on the Gambling Spot. Yet, I don't remember SF asking me anything.

I have a couple of other examples and, because all the people I know, I could talk about this problem for hours. Hundreds of sleights, variants are stolen. Welcome into the "magic" world Smile.

PS: Did I mention the fabulous "Someone demonstrated it for me x years before you, but I can't remember who, where or when", "I read it somewhere x years ago but I can't tell you", "Geez, it's not origoal, I do it myself for x years" or the classic "Lol, it's done by Gamblers since 19th century"?
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Are you saying that because you think some people exposed sleights that you believe are yours that it's OK if others do it too? If you think you've been wronged, go ahead and discuss it with the people you believe wronged you. Either way, learning something from someone else and teaching it to others without their agreement is not something I think is kosher, whoever is involved.

What I'm interested in is Joey's current effort in selling these particular bottom stock controls on the T11 wire. The controls are the same as shown on 52 (#2, a bottom slug control with running cuts, and #5, a bottom slug control with boxing). I would like to know if Joey saw them there and if he spoke to anyone regarding his teaching them.

So, Joey, can you comment on this?
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So, Joey, can you comment on this?

Well, it will be kind of pointless because you won't believe me anyway. No I haven't learned these moves from someone else.
I came up with the method myself, just like in my other releases. Of course knowledgeable people like you instantly know an original source and say: "Not original". And you might be correct.
However all of my "Wire Submissions" got accepted so far because I put quite some effort into the teaching part. Jonathan Bayme (T11 CEO) mentioned this as the reason in one of their podcasts.
Of course you can still argue about that and Im sure you have some valid points. But I don't really see any harm in me teaching thoses moves.
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Why should I "believe" only and others not? I don't "think", I'm sure! I posted a message in 2008 here, asking guys to name my shift, and I showed it to some people here in 2007. I demonstrated it on another place in 2006! It's far before "52" no?

Before Joey comments I can tell you I did one of this bottom stock controls years before I even knew Steve Forte existed. Looks like you think he is the only one who knows sleights or have the right to "demonstrate" them.

Have you ever played cards in brick and mortar places? There are thousands of players able to perform moves that would amaze you, and I can assure you none of them know who Steve Forte, The Gambling Spot or Erdnase are! Cards are 500+ years old you know, and USA is not the only country on earth...
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On Mar 5, 2014, joeyfx wrote:
I came up with the method myself, just like in my other releases. Of course knowledgeable people like you instantly know an original source and say: "Not original". And you might be correct.


It's just strange that you came up with two stock controls that look absolutely identical to 2 moves on a DVD which you surely have seen. I get that people sometimes reinvent the wheel, but it's difficult to believe that you just happened to reinvent 2 different moves in the exact same way they were performed within a minute of each other on 52.

Either way, regarding the "you'll never believe me anyway" part, it doesn't matter. It's not about what I believe, I wanted to know what your side of it was. Whatever your answer was/is, once you've said it, that's where it ends for me, you've made your statement. If someone wants to dispute it for whatever reason, they can, but I don't have a dog in this race. Whether or not I personally believe that they're completely original won't matter to anyone.

You believe you came up with these yourself, and thus you didn't have to ask anyone permission, that's that.
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Here's a couple of very easy to answer questions:

-Have you ever seen "52" Joey?

-Does anybody really believe that Forte would troll the Gambling Spot looking to steal "new" moves from the very guys who are the first customers in line to buy his books or DVD's?
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Who are you talking to Silver?

In case it's me, I didn't and don't stay SF stole anything out of me. I just say I'm the first one to have shown that move publicly years before his "52", it's not in any book or video known (or tell me which one) and yet I didn't see any credit mentioning me.

SF doesn't have to troll the GS, it's not very difficult to meet someone knowing me or having watched my moves. You know, at least in the past, they were many guys close to Steve "trolling" on the Gambling Spot Smile. My videos are seen by thousands and according my customers list, it looks like I'm known among knowledgeable cardmen! It always surprises me when a top notch card artist contacts me saying "it's years I follow you on such or such place". 9/10 they don't wanna say their nicknames on "such or such" place Smile. I don't complain; I hang around with top guys, I exchange with many of them and I meet people I would never had dreamed to know or even exchange a simple email. But I respect them in return, I give them credit when credit is due for instance.
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I learned this bottom stock control from Effective Card Magic by Bill Simon in the mid 1950s. DUH!!!

In my opinion, once a move is demonstrated to a group of magicians, on video for general viewing or written about in a book, anyone can learn it and use it. If they want to teach it to others, move power to them. No one owns a move.

Only on the Café and only among magician types does this type cry baby BS come up. Show a hustler a move that he can use, and he will just go use it without any further discussion. It is expected he will use it for his own benefit, that is the reason he was shown the move in the first place.

Further, others come up and develop moves that are similar or identical to something developed by someone else. It happens all the time.

Sometimes I cannot believe the discussions magician types get into among themselves. In all my years around professional gambling, I have NEVER seen anything discussed along these lines.
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