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New Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43_ghXeJtdU

Spent a little more time on the editing part this time.
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New Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVl-kWX9LBs
(Riffle Stacking Close Up)
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That was beautiful Joey. Thanks.
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That was great Joey, dare I say the speed appeared perfect.

I've only seen video of two folks who riffle stack at the level you display in your video. Names (or tags) you'd likely recognize - you'd be proud to be in their company.
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Thank you guys!

Here is another one. 7 Hands, RRSRC procedure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWamG-WXEbo
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Great pace and smooth stacking!

By the way, what equipment do you use for recording? The video is slightly grainy but quite clear nevertheless. I need to buy some hardware myself.
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Joey, please, not a cut like that, not you Smile
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On Dec 2, 2016, JFX wrote:

Here is another one. 7 Hands, RRSRC procedure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWamG-WXEbo


Nicely done, Joey.

However, actual card room procedure is to go into the last shuffle without doing a double undercut. In other words, right after the strip cuts one cuts for the final shuffle, one does not strip cut and then double undercut followed by the final shuffle.

Of course I am nit-picking and not criticizing your work. However, since you appear to be a perfectionist I thought you would like to know what the accepted game procedure was. Also, sometimes "more" is "less" although sometimes in demos "more" is "more."

The final cut is cute but there are other ways to do that as I am sure you know. A one card slip cut might be better as well as other ways that I am sure you can figure out. However, for demos that final cut technique shown does the job as well as any but would not fly for very long in a professional casino card room under surveillance or with sharp players.

Once again...very nice work Joey.
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Joey,
You have the a great touch. Thank you for sharing.
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It would be great if all the things we see here fitted the formal procedure of the professional poker games. Still, formal poker procedures essentially apply to the professional poker games only. While we run a private professional poker game where players demand the strict formal poker procedure, sometimes players waiting for a seat or whatever, also have side games like Gin, which are a different kettle of fish altogether. We are not really familiar with amateur poker games but the procedures in them are bound to vary where that might fit the bill.
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Tommy,

can you detail the shuffling procedure in use in your game? Maybe I can match it.
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Standard; Wash, Riffle, Riffle, Strip, Riffle, Cut.

Our cash games though are Omaha 4/5/6 dealers choice, which makes things awkward.
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A wash before EVERY shuffle?
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Yes. The croupiers give them a longer wash than normal at the start when the cards are in new deck order. Normally they give them a quick wash before the RRSRC. I think the wash is what they like to see performed most of all. Sometimes dealers try to speed the game up by missing a wash as the more hands the more the tips. Somebody though will tell them to give them a wash.
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Nice procedures.

That said, it wouldn't be a problem for me to counterfeit that.
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On Dec 3, 2016, AMcD wrote:
A wash before EVERY shuffle?


In professional games in Vegas, there is almost always a mini wash after each hand and prior to the RRSRC.

When a new deck hits the table, one which is in new deck order, the cards are first washed face up to show that no blocks are being retained, then they are turn over and washed face down prior to the shuffle sequence.

This of course is to guard against the new deck being previously stacked and then false shuffled by the dealer. Years ago, when the new deck pairs were brought to the table, one could be stacked with the Ace of Spades on the face. Then after the false shuffles and cuts the fun would begins. The procedure of washing new decks face up first was designed to prevent this scam but has taken some of the enjoyment out of the game for some.
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Thanks for the info.

That said, I have seen thousands hours of professional Poker games on TV (tons of Poker shows). High Stakes Poker, for instance, which I enjoyed a lot. Dealers (who are pros, unless guys at the Bellagio aren't...), well, they do washes, but certainly not for every round. I'd say every 5 rounds or so? Like in my amateur games.
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@AMcD:

A "mini-wash" is not the same as a full wash. In a mini wash the dealer turns all the cards face down, including the spreaded stem and pushes the cards together as he pushes them forward giving them little scramble in the process prior to squaring up for the shuffle and it only takes 2 or 3 seconds. A full wash is more elaborate and is usually done after several hands, not after every hand.

I don't know what games you're referring to, whether cash games or tournaments each of which can be handled a little differently. The reason being the risk in cash games, especially big cash games is not the same as in tournaments. I would assume for televised games things might be sped up since they have commercial sponsors so could be a little different as far as say a cash game that is not "commercialized" but I don’t know that for a fact.

Certain procedures are pretty standard but others can be varied a little depending upon management and the circumstances as far as washes go.

However,some of this is really moot as just about all poker games in higher end casinos that I have seen now use automatic shufflers. This prevents standard manipulation of the cards and speeds up the games significantly.
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It is that which we and our local casino’s use; standard procedure of the professional poker cash games in my experience. It is a security procedure deliberately and cleverly designed to be restrictive. I cannot recall seeing a professional `cash` game not doing a wash every hand. However, in casino comps, sometimes the managers tell the croupiers to forget about it. That is to do with time where they have thousands enter and need to finish on time.
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Thanks.

Next week I'll show you a couple of videos. How I did in MY games, and how I think I could do in YOUR games.

@Cag

I was referring to cash games. One of my favourite show was High Stakes Poker.
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